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Featured What is perfection for living humans?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Mock Turtle, Nov 13, 2019.

  1. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Respect, compassion, and understanding.
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    Here on Earth I mean - if that is possible - according to your belief. What kind of humans would pass for such and what kind of behaviour by them would do so? And also, what kind of relationship would these humans have with all life that is non-human? Is perfection possible or would striving do instead if not?
     
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    The Golden Rule and trying their best following it.
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    'Satyam vada, Dharmam cara' (Speak truth and fulfill your dharma).

    "yoga-yukto viśuddhātmā, vijitātmā jitendriyaḥ;
    sarva-bhūtātma-bhūtātmā, kurvann api na lipyate."


    A wise and pure person who controls mind and senses is dear to everyone, and is compassionate to everyone else. Although engaged in work, such a person is never entangled.
     
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    The ability to do whatever makes you happy.
    Discovering what actually makes you happy is the hard part.
     
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    I'll spare everyone the appropriate Conan video.
     
  6. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Yes I believe perfection is possible on Earth but extremely very very rare.

    Only a perfect being and one who "sees" perfection could recognize another one. Their behavior will be according to the requirements of every situation. I found studying the lives of figures such as Rama, Krishna, Meher Baba, Buddha, Jesus, Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, Rumi, Hafiz, St. Francis of Assisi and others to be very illuminating.

    They are one with all life, human and otherwise.

    Since to me the goal of life is perfection, every step taken toward that goal is wonderful no matter how small the step.
     
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    My answer is love.

    Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
    Romans 13:8-10
     
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    Well to me, I wonder if it would make sense if all of biology would one day stabilize. After all, a flower reaches a state when it is in 'full bloom,' and the average organism has a 'prime' of life. Therefore, one might think like that on a bigger scale. Maybe there's a point of climaxed organisms proportional to this planet's ability to produce them. A plateau where not much changes until it recedes, where harmony is reached in the truest sense of the word. Maybe it's also not really a matter of striving, as it essentially just happens naturally. People have been adding to this thing 'consciously' for many centuries, but the vast majority of what has occurred here happened with the hard efforts of no individual.
     
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    What is perfection for living humans?

    Egocentric delusions.
     
  11. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Respect, compassion, and understanding.
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    No one want to discuss how we should relate to non-human life - as in meat-eating, how we treat them whilst doing so, how we are to manage our relationships whilst all too often destroying their habitat, how we so often don't recognise the intelligence in their lives, etc.? Can we pursue our own destinies whilst ignoring these issues?
     
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    The problem with relating to the title of the thread. The concept of perfection has nothing to do with the above. Of course, all of the above are noble human goals, but nonetheless fallible human goals, and in and of themselves idealistic, and subject to broad interpretations.
     
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    Follow the path of Dharma. :)
     
  14. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Respect, compassion, and understanding.
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    Perhaps as perfect humans we might change our current ways. I was wondering how others might see this even if as individuals we so often have to make compromises. What might our long-term future be in regard to other life?
     
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    I have to negate the concept of perfection when dealing with fallible humans. Take your eaxample of 'respect for non-human life.' The fallible human response to this virtue ranges from the extreme Hindu absolute idealistic do not harm any life to the extreme Western pragmatic view of non-human life is here for the benefit and use of humanity, and all feel morally justified with their view.

    I can discuss some virtues and goals to deal with these problems, but considering 'perfection' it is too unrealistic, and fallible human motives break down long before 'perfection' can be considered.
     
  16. Mock Turtle

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    I'm aware of how some faiths see other life. I was wondering how some might square their particular beliefs with how they see the future, and the future of all other life. That is, how does other life fit in with what they believe.
     
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    back to the garden

    with God Himself handing you what you need
    what more could you want?

    but no....

    and I believe we were never intended to live much more than we do

    if you have a curiosity
    and you do more than watch tv
    you might crossover into the next life with enough of what it takes to continue

    I suspect.....couch potatoes end up sliced and diced
    and deep fried for the devil's table
     
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    oh oh.....
     
  19. spirtual-philosophy

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    Perfection is limited by these constraints:
    1. Biological organisms require continual replenishment of energy and food and water and air.
    2. There are limited resources leading to extreme competition.
    3. Evolution is the "designer" of organisms and, therefore; they are optimized merely to pass on genes.
    The best that can be hoped for is the ideal of enlightened societies and cultures, having respect for everyone (including animals). But, sadly, authoritarians and dictators are able to thrive and dominate and destroy everything good.

    And all-too-many humans are duped into believing illogical things.

    If I were a good God, I would not have created the universe to be like this.
     
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    I don't mind discussing these topics. I wish humans were smart enough to limit their population to 500 million people to leave ample room for animals and to limit the pollution caused. If humans only lived near abundant food sources and energy, there would hardly be any pollution at all.

    Certainly humans have to right to impact the earth. All organisms do this. Some organisms devastate the environment and fellow organisms; humans are not the only culprit.

    And as far as meat eating: I have tried (and failed) to be vegan. If I don't eat some animal products I get weak. I wish it was easy to purchase meat in which the animals were treated well (until slaughtered that is, which should be done with the minimum pain and distress).
     
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