They're saying "no" to every religion except the one(s) they adopt.As in all other areas of life when a child is grown she/he will make their own decisions. It is important, I think, that they know what it is they're saying no to.
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They're saying "no" to every religion except the one(s) they adopt.As in all other areas of life when a child is grown she/he will make their own decisions. It is important, I think, that they know what it is they're saying no to.
I would argue that they have the right for the meeting itself to have no official prayer or reading of scripture at all.Religion is by choice. For those who do not believe have a right in non-religious gatherings not to have to participate in prayer and reading of Scripture in a public, non-religious meeting etc.
They're saying "no" to every religion except the one(s) they adopt.
I would argue that they have the right for the meeting itself to have no official prayer or reading of scripture at all.
At the very least, someone appearing before a legislative assembly should never have to wonder if they're going to be treated differently because the assembly members could see they didn't bow their head for the official prayer.
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I get the impression that people use the term "freedom from religion" in very different ways.
Personally, I take it to mean something like "freedom from religious impositions that would interfere with my own rights and freedoms."
However, I see other people who seem to take it to mean "a ban on all public religious expression."
Since people seem to be talking past each other on this, I figured a thread about it was in order.
How do you interpret the term?
If someone were feeling impeded upon by potato crisps, then the above might be very important to them indeed.cf. "freedom from potato crisps".
Not much of a choice when it is mainly where one lives as to what one is taught though, unlike most other education.As in all other areas of life when a child is grown she/he will make their own decisions. It is important, I think, that they know what it is they're saying no to.
How do you figure?I'd consider freedom from religion as the removal of a mechanism for maintaining tribal adhesion.
How do you figure?
(And how are you defining "tribe"?)
I agree with your definition.Inspired by this thread.
I get the impression that people use the term "freedom from religion" in very different ways.
Personally, I take it to mean something like "freedom from religious impositions that would interfere with my own rights and freedoms."
However, I see other people who seem to take it to mean "a ban on all public religious expression."
Since people seem to be talking past each other on this, I figured a thread about it was in order.
How do you interpret the term?
Let not any religious persuasion govern your soul.Inspired by this thread.
I get the impression that people use the term "freedom from religion" in very different ways.
Personally, I take it to mean something like "freedom from religious impositions that would interfere with my own rights and freedoms."
However, I see other people who seem to take it to mean "a ban on all public religious expression."
Since people seem to be talking past each other on this, I figured a thread about it was in order.
How do you interpret the term?
Sorry to butt in, but do children get a choice, as to what they are fed?
They get a choice whether to eat what they are offered.
Fed, as in information, of course. And not with regards religious education, when their minds and experiences are not up to questioning anything, together with the authority with which it is usually delivered. You really think children, especially of the age at which many are taught such, are capable of questioning any religious things they are taught?
Unfortunately by then many will be indoctrinated into such beliefs though - and so often will not change out of said beliefs. How is that ensuring any freedoms from indoctrination - that we might want to see - when we generally make an exception purely for religious beliefs? The same argument could be made after all with regards political, moral, or any other doctrine we might fancy. The exception being, that we might believe the religious stuff and see it as beneficial for our children, but where it tends to separate them from others, and might not be so. Why not just wait until they are older so as to allow them to make their own decisions?Well no loving parent would willingly feed poison to their child. And most parents are loving.
In any case, if the meal is indigestible, it’ll generally be brought up later on.
Inspired by this thread.
I get the impression that people use the term "freedom from religion" in very different ways.
Personally, I take it to mean something like "freedom from religious impositions that would interfere with my own rights and freedoms."
However, I see other people who seem to take it to mean "a ban on all public religious expression."
Since people seem to be talking past each other on this, I figured a thread about it was in order.
How do you interpret the term?
Unfortunately by then many will be indoctrinated into such beliefs though - and so often will not change out of said beliefs. How is that ensuring any freedoms from indoctrination - that we might want to see - when we generally make an exception purely for religious beliefs? The same argument could be made after all with regards political, moral, or any other doctrine we might fancy. The exception being, that we might believe the religious stuff and see it as beneficial for our children, but where it tends to separate them from others, and might not be so. Why not just wait until they are older so as to allow them to make their own decisions?
Unfortunately by then many will be indoctrinated into such beliefs though - and so often will not change out of said beliefs. How is that ensuring any freedoms from indoctrination - that we might want to see - when we generally make an exception purely for religious beliefs? The same argument could be made after all with regards political, moral, or any other doctrine we might fancy. The exception being, that we might believe the religious stuff and see it as beneficial for our children, but where it tends to separate them from others, and might not be so. Why not just wait until they are older so as to allow them to make their own decisions?
No you tend to get all the negative bits when you dig down into the texts - although usually interpreted as wanted.Depends how you define indoctrination really. All parents pass on their values to their children, either consciously or unconsciously.
Values expressed in most religious communities generally include love, forgiveness, compassion etc. The good stuff, generally, though perhaps not exclusively. Still, you’re unlikely to hear negative values such as greed, racism, dishonesty, and hate preached from the lectern
No you tend to get all the negative bits when you dig down into the texts - although usually interpreted as wanted.
Still, surprised you are so keen for kids not to have freedoms though, from such, given that you might not like it if born in some other country and perhaps having to undergo what they prescribe (and proscribe) for you.