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What does ChatGPT say about your religion?

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
As we all know AI is slowly starting to be more intelligent, more conversational, more human-like. Although, no human would ever know everything an AI already knows. However, ChatGPT, has been shown to give different responses to the same questions, and is able to conversate better than other artificial intelligences. And since it is still free (with now a paid option you don't need to pay for, yet) to use the website that hosts the AI, I figure we should have a thread about how it perceives religion, and more specifically, the religion that you happen to believe in.

So I asked ChatGPT what it knew about Earthseed. Below I will copy and paste its answer and share it with others. And by the way, I fully agree with its detailed answer.

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So, this is what ChatGPT has to say about Earthseed, and honestly, its answer makes me proud to be a member of that religion.

Get creative with this. If you are a Christian, ask it about your denomination or church you attend.

So, what does ChatGPT say about your religion?

BTW, ChatGPT can be accessed from this website. :)
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
So do you just ask this thing questions and give it requests? I'm trying to ask it but it's having a hard time figuring me out, probably equally as I am trying to figure it out.
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
So do you just ask this thing questions and give it requests? I'm trying to ask it but it's having a hard time figuring me out, probably equally as I am trying to figure it out.

Well, for starters it would be great if you knew what your religion was. I didn't need to have a long conversation with the AI for it to tell me what Earthseed was. In fact, just asking it, "What does [insert religion here] believe" in does the trick. However, it isn't going to understand your religion or positions if your religion is 'God is in the rain' and trying to impress the AI with your advanced theological beliefs isn't going to do any good. You need to know where you stand from the outside looking in for it to explain it from the inside looking out perspective. The AI doesn't and cannot know you more than you know yourself. Just throw in the one word that describes you the best and see where it takes you. It isn't very hard to understand.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
However, it isn't going to understand your religion or positions if your religion is 'God is in the rain' and trying to impress the AI with your advanced theological beliefs isn't going to do any good.
Yeah, that actually doesn't have anything to do with it (and I'd expect it to at least get where it comes from right).
This might help, when I use a digital assistant I don't talk like I do to a person. I know they say to, but that leads to confusing it and not necessarily getting what you want (and they suck with accents so some people just can't talk normal to them). So I speaker a bit slower, a bit louder and clearer, and am very specific, direct and use a limited vocabulary to get consistent results and what I'm wanting.
With this chat bot thing, is it more like we are conversing now or is it like a digital assistant and just not like us no matter what is claimed? And can it do conversations like people, or is limited like a digital assistant?
 

Viker

Häxan
"Diabolism is the worship or veneration of Satan, the Devil, or demons in religious or supernatural contexts. It is often associated with evil and malevolent practices, but its definition and beliefs can vary greatly depending on the cultural, historical, and personal context."

"Dark paganism is a loosely defined spiritual or religious movement that incorporates elements of paganism, with a focus on darker aspects of spirituality and the supernatural. It may involve the worship of deities associated with death, darkness, and the underworld, as well as rituals and practices that reflect a more ominous or sinister worldview. Like other forms of paganism, the exact beliefs and practices of dark paganism can vary greatly and may be influenced by a number of different spiritual and cultural traditions."

"Sinister witchcraft is a type of spiritual or magical practice that is characterized by its association with darker forces or energies, such as death, the underworld, and malevolent spirits. It may involve the use of magic for harmful or negative purposes, such as cursing or hexing others, as well as rituals and ceremonies that are designed to tap into darker aspects of the supernatural. Sinister witchcraft is not universally recognized as a distinct form of magic or spiritual practice, and its beliefs and practices can vary greatly depending on the practitioner and cultural context."


Hmm.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't consider myself a follower or practitioner of any particular religion, but In regards to the two religions I'm most interested in:

Taoism

Explain Taoism

"Taoism is a Chinese philosophical and religious tradition that emphasizes living in harmony with the Tao, which is the ultimate reality and source of all things. It emphasizes simplicity, humility, and a non-interventionalist approach to life, and encourages individuals to follow their natural instincts and desires in order to find inner peace and balance. The Tao Te Ching, written by the ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu, is a key text in Taoism and outlines the central beliefs and practices of the tradition".

Zen Buddhism

Explain Zen Buddhism

"Zen Buddhism is a branch of Mahayana Buddhism that originated in China and emphasizes meditation and insight as the means to attain Buddhist enlightenment. The goal of Zen practice is to awaken to one's true nature, often described as pure and limitless awareness. Zen places a strong emphasis on individual experience and direct understanding, rather than relying on scriptures or dogma. Zen teachings are often conveyed through paradoxical statements, stories, and koans, which are intended to challenge the student's preconceptions and bring about a sudden realization".
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Yeah, that actually doesn't have anything to do with it (and I'd expect it to at least get where it comes from right).
This might help, when I use a digital assistant I don't talk like I do to a person. I know they say to, but that leads to confusing it and not necessarily getting what you want (and they suck with accents so some people just can't talk normal to them). So I speaker a bit slower, a bit louder and clearer, and am very specific, direct and use a limited vocabulary to get consistent results and what I'm wanting.
With this chat bot thing, is it more like we are conversing now or is it like a digital assistant and just not like us no matter what is claimed? And can it do conversations like people, or is limited like a digital assistant?

I don't use it as a way to have a conversation. I don't talk to ChatGPT as if it is a person. All I do is ask it questions and it produces answers. Think of it like AskJeeves meets Wikipedia. You can ask it whatever and it will tell you something similar to what you'd find in a Wikipedia article, sometimes almost verbatim. The uses of this technology isn't that revolutionary, but it will 'know' most things more than most people. Honestly, I believe it is more human-like because sometimes it gets facts wrong and humans too gets facts wrong. I asked it if I can join Earthseed and it used a lot of words to ultimately say no. The user @godischange and myself are both part of the religion no matter what anyone, and in this case, what anything says. Another thing that makes it different from Wikipedia is that it doesn't seem to always take the neutral point-of -view. I actually found out ChatGPT is very pro-religion and pro-spirituality, despite it unable for it to come up with its own view points on such matters. Ultimately AI can't be more than what we already are, unfortunately.
 
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Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
"Diabolism is the worship or veneration of Satan, the Devil, or demons in religious or supernatural contexts. It is often associated with evil and malevolent practices, but its definition and beliefs can vary greatly depending on the cultural, historical, and personal context."

"Dark paganism is a loosely defined spiritual or religious movement that incorporates elements of paganism, with a focus on darker aspects of spirituality and the supernatural. It may involve the worship of deities associated with death, darkness, and the underworld, as well as rituals and practices that reflect a more ominous or sinister worldview. Like other forms of paganism, the exact beliefs and practices of dark paganism can vary greatly and may be influenced by a number of different spiritual and cultural traditions."

"Sinister witchcraft is a type of spiritual or magical practice that is characterized by its association with darker forces or energies, such as death, the underworld, and malevolent spirits. It may involve the use of magic for harmful or negative purposes, such as cursing or hexing others, as well as rituals and ceremonies that are designed to tap into darker aspects of the supernatural. Sinister witchcraft is not universally recognized as a distinct form of magic or spiritual practice, and its beliefs and practices can vary greatly depending on the practitioner and cultural context."


Hmm.
Spot on then. ;)
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
I don't consider myself a follower or practitioner of any particular religion, but In regards to the two religions I'm most interested in:

Taoism

Explain Taoism

"Taoism is a Chinese philosophical and religious tradition that emphasizes living in harmony with the Tao, which is the ultimate reality and source of all things. It emphasizes simplicity, humility, and a non-interventionalist approach to life, and encourages individuals to follow their natural instincts and desires in order to find inner peace and balance. The Tao Te Ching, written by the ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu, is a key text in Taoism and outlines the central beliefs and practices of the tradition".

Zen Buddhism

Explain Zen Buddhism

"Zen Buddhism is a branch of Mahayana Buddhism that originated in China and emphasizes meditation and insight as the means to attain Buddhist enlightenment. The goal of Zen practice is to awaken to one's true nature, often described as pure and limitless awareness. Zen places a strong emphasis on individual experience and direct understanding, rather than relying on scriptures or dogma. Zen teachings are often conveyed through paradoxical statements, stories, and koans, which are intended to challenge the student's preconceptions and bring about a sudden realization".
Not bad. The latter bit is specifically more Rinzai Zen.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
An agnostic is a person who holds the view that the existence of a deity or deities, and the ultimate nature of existence, reality, and knowledge is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism is often described as a philosophical stance that lies between theism (belief in a deity or deities) and atheism (disbelief in a deity or deities).

Agnostics do not claim to know whether or not there is a deity or deities, and they often reject any absolute knowledge claims in this regard. Instead, they hold that the question of the existence of a deity or deities is beyond human comprehension and that it is impossible to know for certain. Some agnostics may also embrace a more general skepticism about the possibility of knowledge, viewing all claims about the ultimate nature of reality and existence as being unprovable.

Agnosticism can be seen as a form of intellectual humility, as agnostics are willing to acknowledge the limits of human knowledge and understanding. It is also important to note that agnosticism can be compatible with religious beliefs, as many religious people may also be agnostic about certain aspects of their faith.
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Luciferians are followers of Luciferianism, a belief system that venerates Lucifer, the biblical figure often associated with Satan, as a symbol of enlightenment, knowledge, and independence. Luciferianism is often described as a form of religious or philosophical gnosticism that emphasizes individualism, self-discovery, and self-deification. Luciferians may view Lucifer as a metaphorical representation of the human potential for enlightenment and wisdom, or as a deity who represents principles such as freedom, individuality, and self-empowerment. Luciferianism is a decentralized movement with many different interpretations and practices, and it is often associated with esoteric or occult beliefs and practices.
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A couple of non-religious ones I was testing this:

Marxism is a social, political, and economic theory originated by Karl Marx, which focuses on the struggle between capitalists and the working class. According to Marxist theory, capitalism is a system in which the means of production (e.g. factories, land, and resources) are privately owned and operated for profit, which leads to exploitation of the working class and unequal distribution of wealth. Marxists argue that this conflict can only be resolved through a revolution in which the working class overthrows the capitalist system and replaces it with a socialist system in which the means of production are collectively owned and controlled by the workers.

Marxism also critiques various aspects of society, including religion, culture, and the state, and it posits that they are all reflections of economic and social structures. The ultimate goal of Marxism is to establish a classless society in which everyone has equal access to resources and opportunities.
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Juggalos are fans of the musical group Insane Clown Posse, as well as fans of related underground rap and hip hop music. Juggalos are known for their distinctive tattoos, face paint, and merchandise, and for their passionate support for Insane Clown Posse and their musical style, which is often described as horrorcore. Juggalos have also developed a subculture that includes its own language, values, and rituals, and they are often associated with an anti-establishment attitude and a sense of community among its members.

It's impressive. It seems better than most people. The last one especially is remarkably free of the bias and hate that humans widely show (FBI says we're a dangerous, violent gang and the SPLC says a hate group). It's a very formal style of writing, but it does kind of read like a human written academic article.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Someone else will need to put it in.

But it'll get it wrong. Ten bucks it'll conflate Druidry the modern, Neopagan religion with historical Druidry and also with the fantasy classes from Dungeons and Dragons. Even if it manages not to screw that up by using a precise prompt, it'll still fail to capture my tradition because it's unique to me and not plastered all over the internet to be plagiarized by their bots.
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/they/it/neopronouns
Paganism:
Paganism is a term used to describe a variety of religious beliefs, practices, and traditions that are outside the major world religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. It encompasses indigenous, earth-centered spiritual beliefs, as well as reconstructed belief systems, such as Wicca and Neo-Druidism. The term "pagan" originally referred to people who lived in rural areas and was later used to describe those who did not follow the dominant religion of a given region, especially in the context of the Roman Empire.

Luciferianism:
Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the figure of Lucifer, typically as a symbol of independence, enlightenment, and rebellion against tyrannical authority. It is not a unified religion or belief system, but rather a loosely associated set of ideas and practices that are influenced by various philosophical, spiritual, and esoteric traditions. Some forms of Luciferianism draw on Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Satanism, and other esoteric belief systems, while others see Lucifer as a symbol of individualism, reason, and self-empowerment. It should be noted that Luciferianism is distinct from Satanism, which typically views Satan as a malevolent deity.

Satanic temple:

The Satanic Temple is a religious and political organization that was founded in the United States in 2012. It promotes a secular and humanistic ideology that is based on scientific rationalism, empathy, and compassion, and it advocates for the separation of church and state. The organization has been described as "an umbrella group for the non-theistic Satanist community," and it seeks to promote its beliefs and values through activism, community building, and the use of religious symbols and iconography that are associated with Satanism. The Satanic Temple is recognized as a church for tax purposes, and it has been involved in a number of high-profile legal and political battles, including efforts to challenge religious displays on public property and promote secularism in government.

Demonolatry:

Demonolatry is a religious practice that involves the worship or veneration of demons or supernatural beings. It is distinct from Satanism in that it does not focus on a single figure, such as Satan, but instead honors a pantheon of supernatural beings, each with their own unique attributes and qualities. Demonolatry can encompass a wide range of beliefs and practices, from traditional, theistic forms of worship to more secular, philosophical approaches that view demons as symbols of human desires and motivations. The practice has a long history and can be traced back to ancient civilizations, where it was often associated with magic, sorcery, and the supernatural. Today, there are a variety of demonolatry traditions, including some that are influenced by Christianity, Judaism, and other world religions.

Animism:
Animism is the belief that everything in the universe, including inanimate objects, animals, and natural phenomena, possess a spiritual essence or soul. This belief is often associated with indigenous and traditional cultures, particularly in Africa, Asia, and the Americas, and it is often considered one of the oldest forms of religious belief. In animistic traditions, the spirit world is seen as an integral part of the physical world, and spirits are believed to have the power to influence the natural world and human affairs. Animists typically believe that spirits can be honored, communicated with, and appeased through ritual and offerings, and that a harmonious relationship with the spirit world is essential for personal well-being and community health. In contemporary usage, the term "animism" is often used in the context of indigenous spirituality and the study of religion and culture
 
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VoidCat

Pronouns: he/they/it/neopronouns
Someone else will need to put it in.

But it'll get it wrong. Ten bucks it'll conflate Druidry the modern, Neopagan religion with historical Druidry and also with the fantasy classes from Dungeons and Dragons. Even if it manages not to screw that up by using a precise prompt, it'll still fail to capture my tradition because it's unique to me and not plastered all over the internet to be plagiarized by their bots.
This is what it says about druids:
Druidry is a spiritual and religious movement that revives the ancient Druidic traditions of the Celtic peoples, primarily of Britain and Ireland. It is a modern form of paganism that emphasizes the connection between the individual and nature, as well as the ancestors and the divine. Druidry typically involves practices such as meditation, ritual, and nature worship, and may include elements of animism, polytheism, and magic
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Someone else will need to put it in.

But it'll get it wrong. Ten bucks it'll conflate Druidry the modern, Neopagan religion with historical Druidry and also with the fantasy classes from Dungeons and Dragons. Even if it manages not to screw that up by using a precise prompt, it'll still fail to capture my tradition because it's unique to me and not plastered all over the internet to be plagiarized by their bots.

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There you go, in all it's plagiarized goodness. :D
 

Exaltist Ethan

Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
This is what it says about druids:
Druidry is a spiritual and religious movement that revives the ancient Druidic traditions of the Celtic peoples, primarily of Britain and Ireland. It is a modern form of paganism that emphasizes the connection between the individual and nature, as well as the ancestors and the divine. Druidry typically involves practices such as meditation, ritual, and nature worship, and may include elements of animism, polytheism, and magic

You beat me to it! Good thing it gave two different answers.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I mean, at least it didn't conflate with fantasy RPG classes. Though I almost wonder if that would end up being more or less accurate.... lol.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Someone else will need to put it in.

But it'll get it wrong. Ten bucks it'll conflate Druidry the modern, Neopagan religion with historical Druidry and also with the fantasy classes from Dungeons and Dragons. Even if it manages not to screw that up by using a precise prompt, it'll still fail to capture my tradition because it's unique to me and not plastered all over the internet to be plagiarized by their bots.
Why be a stick in the mud over it? I was impressed by it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
This is what it says about druids:
Druidry is a spiritual and religious movement that revives the ancient Druidic traditions of the Celtic peoples, primarily of Britain and Ireland. It is a modern form of paganism that emphasizes the connection between the individual and nature, as well as the ancestors and the divine. Druidry typically involves practices such as meditation, ritual, and nature worship, and may include elements of animism, polytheism, and magic

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There you go, in all it's plagiarized goodness. :D
What it got wrong is the Celtic culture was at one time widespread and dominate throughout Europe, and would eventually decline with the Insular Celts (Britons, Picts and Gaels) being the remaining inheritors of it. But much like the Germanic Tribes the Celtic tribes were indeed widespread with lots of subcultures (such as the Celtiberians).
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
I'm fairly proud that it asked me "Are you human?" in Russian and I read it normally.

It is asking me for my phone number, and that I will not do at all. If someone could enter in "Heathenry" and "Norse Paganism" I would be grateful.
 
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