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What do jws think of hebrews 9:27?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Frank Goad, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. Frank Goad

    Frank Goad Active Member

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  2. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    If you don't mind my asking, what is your fixation with Jehovah's Witnesses and your fixation with Christian scriptural verses for which no context is given?
     
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  3. Frank Goad

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    I like asking jehovah's witnesses questions about the soul because i believe in something called soul sleep(the belief that when you die your soul cease to exist until God resurrects you).And i also believe that the soul might exist beyond the death of the body but don't know which.So i share these questions to make a argument for both for and against based on different people's answers.
     
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  4. URAVIP2ME

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    I suppose being dead could amount to a ' soul sleep ' because Adam who 'became a living soul', at his death Adam became a dead soul or a life-less soul. Since the dead know nothing, then Adam's in a sleep-like unconscious state.
    - Genesis 2:7; 3:19; Ecclesiastes 9:5; John 11:11-14.
    If we could stop sinning we would Not die. Since we can't stop sinning we die.
    Ezekiel 18:4,20 lets us know the soul or person that sins: dies. (soul death).
    Since the 'soul can be destroyed' according to gospel writer Luke at Acts of the Apostles 3:23, then the person or soul does Not exist beyond death. I suppose one could say a dead person without a resurrection hope is: extinct.

    Since Jesus taught ' sleep in death ' at John 11:11-14, then dead Jesus would have been in a deep sleep from the day he died until his God resurrected the sleeping-dead Jesus back to life. Jesus ceased to exist while dead.
    That resurrection shows us that God accepted Jesus' ransom for us - Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 9:26 B.
    Only after death can there be a resurrection, and as Hebrews 9:27 says after this to receive a judgement.
    Since 'death ' is the price tag sin pays, then there is No post-mortem penalty, No double jeopardy after death.
    So, judgement ( either favorable or adverse ) takes place on what a person does ' after ' they are resurrected.
    Most have a future resurrection. That is why the ' future tense' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
    There it says that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
    That future resurrection is a healthy-physical resurrection taking place on Earth during Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth. Like Adam had at first, the resurrected will have a healthy heart, mind, and body (= soul).
     
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    Hi Frank.
    There is a simple way you can have questions like these answered.
    You can do this through our online Library. Here is how.
    1. Go to our official website https://www.jw.org
    2. Navigate to Publications (top menu) >> Online Library Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
    3. Then type your scripture in the search bar, and hit search (magnifying glass).

    Easy right... but it doesn't give you what you want, so you need one more step, or three to refine your search.
    1. In the results, next to the scripture, there is a smaller magnifying glass. Hit that. You should see results.
    Like this one...
    • Questions From Readers (‎10 occurrences)
      • Was it predetermined that Adam and Eve would have to die, since Hebrews 9:27 says that “it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this a judgment”?
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        The context shows that the primary application of Hebrews 9:27 is to the high priest in ancient Israel, who on Atonement Day foreshadowed Jesus Christ. — Hebrews 4:14, 15.

      • w85 3/15 p. 31 - The Watchtower—1985
    Just select the link you want to read.
    To refine your search, two more steps are required.

    2. To the left you should see a list of publication, all with a check-mark. Hit Uncheck All.
    3. Now select Insight.
    There you go. In the results section, you should find the information below (highlighted in blue).

    *** it-1 p. 596 Death ***
    Cause of Death in Humans. The first reference to death in the Scriptures occurs at Genesis 2:16, 17 in God’s command to the first man concerning the eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, violation of which command would result in death. (See NW ftn.) However, death among animals as a natural process was evidently already in effect, since they are passed over completely in the Biblical presentation of the introduction of death into the human family. (Compare 2 Peter 2:12.) The gravity of God’s warning about the death penalty for disobedience would therefore be understandable to his human son, Adam. Adam’s disobedience to his Creator brought death to him. (Ge 3:19; James 1:14, 15) Thereafter, Adam’s sin and its consequence, death, spread to all men. — Romans 5:12; 6:23.

    Certain texts are, at times, brought forth as supposed evidence that physical death was intended as a natural eventuality for humans, even as for the animals; for example, the references to man’s life span as being ‘seventy or eighty years’ (Psalms 90:10) and the apostle’s statement that “it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this a judgment.” (Hebrews 9:27) Nevertheless, all such texts were written after the introduction of death among mankind, and are applied to imperfect, sinful humans. The tremendous longevity of the men living prior to the Flood must at least be considered as reflecting a remarkable potential in the human body, surpassing that found in any animal even under the most ideal conditions. (Genesis 5:1-31) The Bible unmistakably relates the entrance of death into the human family to Adam’s sin, as already shown.

    Let us know if it answers your question.
     
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  6. Hockeycowboy

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    The correct understanding must agree with the Bible’s entire context, right?

    Romans 6:7 says. that “he that has died has been freed (“acquitted” NWT; ftn., “released; pardoned”) from his sin.”
    (If someone is pardoned, are their past actions held against them? No.)
    And Romans 6:23 states, “The wages of sin is death.” Not torment.

    So to understand this judgement, it must be about judging how ones act, after their resurrection. They will have to be taught Jehovah God’s requirements, and live by them, then.

    (Sorry again for being so late to reply, my life gets hectic at times!)
     
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  7. Deeje

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    What do Jews believe about the soul RabbiO?

    When Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes 9 :5, 6; 10 he said....

    "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for their remembrance is forgotten.


    6 Also their love, as well as their hate, as well as their provocation has already been lost, and they have no more share forever in all that is done under the sun.

    Whatever your hand attains to do [as long as you are] with your strength, do; for there is neither deed nor reckoning, neither knowledge nor wisdom in the grave, where you are going."


    Psalm 115:17...."Neither will the dead praise God, nor all those who descend to the grave."

    Does that not indicate that the dead are in an unconscious state?

    "And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

    Does a human need to breathe the breath of life in order to become a soul?
     
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    Hebrews 9:27
    And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    I believe this speaks a warning & reminder to whom for men liking living as king will be judged.
     
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