Was the election of Donald Trump inevitable?

[LuisDantas]

I would say that it probably was inevitable, but not for any reason presented in the OP.

Trump seems currently to have been elected as the expression of a perfect storm of unhealthy circunstances.

One of the most decisive seems to have been the utter and destructive naiveté of a huge segment of voters (the famous "deplorables" that Hillary once described, only to face a lot of IMO undeserved backlash), who are simply willing to take seriously a candidate who tells us outright that he is entirely unworthy, simply because he presents himself as "different from the profesional politicians".

There is also the largely fictional perception of him as a self-made man, a person who "succeeded" in some vague way that entirely disregards how much exception, privilege and succor he required through his whole life.

Then there is his complete lack of basic competence and ability of expression. To some extent, the recent precedent of GWB, who suffered from similar maladies to a lesser degree, paved his way. There are right wingers who have taught themselves to perceive that as a charming sign of "accessibility".

Given how stubborningly so many voters cling to those bad habits, it was probably inevitable for a serious reality shock to manifest at eventually.

I am sorry for all you Americans, but particularly for those who knew better already.

 

[metis]

I am sorry for all you Americans, but particularly for those who knew better already.

I believe it's largely the result of a societal "temper-tantrum" whereas all too many let their emotions get carried away with them, as the facts were there that Trump has long been a con-artist who panders to people to "seal the deal", as he says in his book. He constantly lied during the campaign, plus showed a near total disregard for the "rule of law", such as his chanting "Lock her up!", which no believer in the Constitution would ever say. It's called a "lynch-mob mentality" that even defies common decency plus a great many religious teachings. Would Jesus chant that? Moses? the Buddha? Etc.?

However, I can cut people some slack who voted for him because of "emotional contagion", but I cannot cut any slack for those who blindly support him now with all that he's said and done-- and it appears there's much more damaging facts on him and many of his staff yet to come.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would say that it probably was inevitable, but not for any reason presented in the OP.

Trump seems currently to have been elected as the expression of a perfect storm of unhealthy circunstances.

One of the most decisive seems to have been the utter and destructive naiveté of a huge segment of voters (the famous "deplorables" that Hillary once described, only to face a lot of IMO undeserved backlash), who are simply willing to take seriously a candidate who tells us outright that he is entirely unworthy, simply because he presents himself as "different from the profesional politicians".

There is also the largely fictional perception of him as a self-made man, a person who "succeeded" in some vague way that entirely disregards how much exception, privilege and succor he required through his whole life.

Then there is his complete lack of basic competence and ability of expression. To some extent, the recent precedent of GWB, who suffered from similar maladies to a lesser degree, paved his way. There are right wingers who have taught themselves to perceive that as a charming sign of "accessibility".

Given how stubborningly so many voters cling to those bad habits, it was probably inevitable for a serious reality shock to manifest at eventually.

I am sorry for all you Americans, but particularly for those who knew better already.

I see what happened differently.
Trump's coming to the fore not happen in a vacuum.
The DNC foisted Hillary upon us as their alternative, enabling his win.
She was the same old same old...more regulation, more taxes, more
war, more corruption, more incompetence, more dynasty politics, etc.
She was the inexorable continuation of the worst of Prior Presidents.
Trump offered the possibility to avoid all that.
Sure, he was a flawed loose cannon in that he had no political record
to compare with his campaign platform. But Hillary appeared to be the
the greater of those 2 evils. I prefered the lesser.
The real problem is that many voter wanted & still want those evils.
Let's hope that 2020 presents us with candidates more peaceful &
reasonable than did 2016.

 

[LuisDantas]

You so misunderstand what happened.

At least one between the two of us certainly does.

Trump did not exist in a vacuum.

Indeed.

The DNC foisted Hillary upon us as their alternative.
She was the same old same old...more regulation, more taxes, more
war, more corruption, more incompetence, more dynasty politics, etc.

Fairly accurate so far, I suppose.

Trump offered the possibility to avoid all that.

Nope. He promised that, which is a beast of an entirely different nature.

That there were so many voters that were willing to bite such a bait from such a source is very telling. And IMO it is also a good candidate for a decisive fact in this political tragicomedy.

No candidate or even any political party can truly save a community of voters from its own bad judgement.

Sure, he was a flawed loose cannon in that he had no political record
to compare with his campaign platform. But Hillary appeared to be the
the greater of those 2 evils.

To ... some people, apparently.

Again, that is the decisive factor far as I can discern.

The real problem is that many voters wanted & still want those evils.
Let's hope that 2020 presents us with candidates more peaceful &
reasonable than did 2016.

Hope has shown to be insufficient so far. I fear that you voters will have to actually earn a better future.

JFK said something along those lines, I think.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hope has shown to be insufficient so far.
I fear that you voters will have to actually earn a better future.

Hope is the one thing an individual can actually achieve.
Election results will be what they'll be.

 

[reddogs]

And none of this in any way negates in what I posted as this has already been dealt with and which you have chosen to ignore the ramifications of.

IOW, your opinion is all fine & dandy for you, but "opinions" are not synonymous with "facts". In most Christian denominations, it is considered right and proper to pray through Jesus to God, and since the scriptures already have made it clear that there are those who have died who are also in heaven, what's the problem with praying through them as well? IMO, there's not for reasons that I previously have posted.

BTW, the Church chose the canon of the scriptures you quote, so why is it you accept that canon but not that which we know the apostolic Church also believed? IOW, that's rather arbitrary picking & choosing.

You are communion with what you do not know, they are not saints nor dead relatives. Need to be very careful of what these "spirits are"...

Acts 19:13
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

She's never talked to Eleanor Roosevelt.

But why talk about boring stuff like policy when you can willfully misconstrue a perfectly innocent turn of phrase and pretend the candidate you don't like is a literal witch and necromancer?

 

[metis]

You are communion with what you do not know, they are not saints nor dead relatives.

You simply do not know that-- you only think you do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump offered the possibility to avoid all that.

Trump campaigned on higher taxes for the wealthy, he wondered why we don't use nuclear weapons (not something a hopeful Commander in Chief should be asking because they should know, especially Boomers most of all because they dealt with that more than the younger generations), and he was saying he would protect transgender rights even though he picked the vehemently anti-LGBT Pence as his VP.
Only those who bought Trump's bull**** thought he could have avoided the risks Clinton brought. Except Trump brought a much worse threat with him, a threat so severe that it even kicks many Christians to the curb. He bedded himself with the Evangelic Religious Right. That is a threat to the rights and liberties of all.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump campaigned on higher taxes for the wealthy, he wondered why we don't use nuclear weapons (not something a hopeful Commander in Chief should be asking because they should know, especially Boomers most of all because they dealt with that more than the younger generations), and he was saying he would protect transgender rights even though he picked the vehemently anti-LGBT Pence as his VP.
Only those who bought Trump's bull**** thought he could have avoided the risks Clinton brought. Except Trump brought a much worse threat with him, a threat so severe that it even kicks many Christians to the curb. He bedded himself with the Evangelic Religious Right. That is a threat to the rights and liberties of all.

We'll have to agree to disagree about which posed
the worse threat based upon pre-election info.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Nope not at all was Trump becoming President inevitable,
Seeing how people have waited for many years for someone to come along, that is not a politician, Republican or Democrat.

Trump was brought up Democrat, like myself, but then things started to happen in past 8 years of Obama and Hillary running for president, that changed my mind about the democrats platform.

For some unknown reason, Democrats thinking is that their above the law, but for the common people they are bound by the law.
Democrats thinks they are to tell people what they will do and not do.

But little do Democrats realize.
that it's the people that tells democrats and Republicans, what is and what is not.

Democrats are all power hungry and if the democrats had it their way, The United States would be another Venezuela a socialist country and not a free country.

If people believe socialism is so great, then why are those people in Venezuela protesting and trying to leave a socialist country?
And many other Nations around the world are standing up against the socialist Government in Venezuela

So how great is Socialism?

Hitler wanted to turn Germany into a Socialist country.

And it has come down that Hitler was going by the Democratic Party's play book on how to make a socialist country.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Nope not at all was Trump becoming President inevitable,
Seeing how people have waited for many years for someone to come along, that is not a politician, Republican or Democrat.

Trump was brought up Democrat, like myself, but then things started to happen in past 8 years of Obama and Hillary running for president, that changed my mind about the democrats platform.

For some unknown reason, Democrats thinking is that their above the law, but for the common people they are bound by the law.
Democrats thinks they are to tell people what they will do and not do.

But little do Democrats realize.
that it's the people that tells democrats and Republicans, what is and what is not.

Democrats are all power hungry and if the democrats had it their way, The United States would be another Venezuela a socialist country and not a free country.

If people believe socialism is so great, then why are those people in Venezuela protesting and trying to leave a socialist country?
And many other Nations around the world are standing up against the socialist Government in Venezuela

So how great is Socialism?

Hitler wanted to turn Germany into a Socialist country.

And it has come down that Hitler was going by the Democratic Party's play book on how to make a socialist country.

Wow, you really just throw scary sounding words together without a care for facts or evidence, doncha?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Wow, you really just throw scary sounding words together without a care for facts or evidence, doncha?

It seems your the one that can't handle facts or the evidence that's been provided.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Wow, you really just throw scary sounding words together without a care for facts or evidence, doncha?

Let's see if you can handle the proof of pictures provided as you ask for.

Click on the link below, for proof

https://nypost.com/2018/12/24/new-york-muslims-have-a-new-security-patrol-group/

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It seems your the one that can't handle facts or the evidence that's been provided.

I'm great with facts and evidence. That's how I know all the stuff you were saying about Germans and Democrats is flat out wrong.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Let's see if you can handle the proof of pictures provided as you ask for.

Click on the link below, for proof

https://nypost.com/2018/12/24/new-york-muslims-have-a-new-security-patrol-group/

Wrong thread, but that DISproves your initial coaim. Look at the picture yourself. It says "Muslim Community Patrol" in big letters right on the side, i.e. it is absolutely NOT identical to a police car.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'm great with facts and evidence. That's how I know all the stuff you were saying about Germans and Democrats is flat out wrong.

Well it seems your having trouble with facts and evidence now.
Your great alright, of not knowing what facts and evidence even is

 

[Faithofchristian]

Wrong thread, but that DISproves your initial coaim. Look at the picture yourself. It says "Muslim Community Patrol" in big letters right on the side, i.e. it is absolutely NOT identical to a police car.

Like I said, you wouldn't be able to handle the facts and evidence of pictures that's provided.
And you just proved it

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Like I said, you wouldn't be able to handle the facts and evidence of pictures that's provided.
And you just proved it

Dude. You claimed the car was IDENTICAL to a police car. The picture you linked is NOT identical to a police car. I'm not the one having difficulty with facts and evidence.

 

[reddogs]

You simply do not know that-- you only think you do.

I am not claiming of knowing, I am showing you what the scripture clearly says. There are spirits arrayed against us, not spirits of dead people, but evil angels:

Ephesians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.