Was Obama a Socialist President?

[Laika]

As we are nearing the end of his second term as President, maybe now is the right time to reconsider the view that Barack Obama was a socialist and posed a threat to the American system of government.

Below is a video clip of Jason Unruhe (of Maoist rebels news) explaining why Obama has been good for corporate profit margins and bad for workers wages and therefore cannot be considered a socialist or communist.

As the results of his eight years in power are now in, does anyone want to argue that Obama is or has been a socialist after eight years with him as President? Does it depend on the meaning of the word "socialism"? Has his Presidency been good or bad for the US and the american ecomony?

 

[Jumi]

No he clearly wasn't socialist, at least not as it's commonly defined.

 

[Revoltingest]

I voted a great big NO.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Below is a video clip of Jason Unruhe (of Maoist rebels news) ...

Good grief.

BTW: do you seriously consider Maoism socialist?

 

[YmirGF]

Naw, Obama wasn't a Socialist President, just an abject failure.

 

[Laika]

Good grief.

BTW: do you seriously consider Maoism socialist?

Yes. I consider Maoism socialist.

 

[viole]

As we are nearing the end of his second term as President, maybe now is the right time to reconsider the view that Barack Obama was a socialist and posed a threat to the American system of government.

Below is a video clip of Jason Unruhe (of Maoist rebels news) explaining why Obama has been good for corporate profit margins and bad for workers wages and therefore cannot be considered a socialist or communist.

As the results of his eight years in power are now in, does anyone want to argue that Obama is or has been a socialist after eight years with him as President? Does it depend on the meaning of the word "socialism"? Has his Presidency been good or bad for the US and the american ecomony?

Of course he was not a socialist president. He IS a social president, at best.

Ciao

- viole

 

[metis]

Naw, Obama wasn't a Socialist President, just an abject failure.

And I certainly hope we get a lot more "failures" like him for reasons that should be obvious.

 

[metis]

I checked "Maybe/It depends" largely because our economy is classified as a "mixed-economy", which is a blend of capitalistic and socialistic programs. And with this being said, Obama pretty much is center-left when compared to most recent politicians.

 

[YmirGF]

And I certainly hope we get a lot more "failures" like him for reasons that should be obvious.

What is frightening is that you are likely serious.

I checked "Maybe/It depends" largely because our economy is classified as a "mixed-economy", which is a blend of capitalistic and socialistic programs. And with this being said, Obama pretty much is center-left when compared to most recent politicians.

But Obama, for all his faults didn't setup the system. Yes, the travesty of Obamacare/UnACA is his baby, but many of the so-called "socialist" aspects of government have existed for many years.

 

[Akivah]

Obama's health plan is obviously an abject failure. However, the economy didn't tank under his administration like I thought it would. It at least has anemic growth, instead of negative growth.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Of course he is a socialist. Creating a class of dependency on govt. Redistribution of wealth. Control of private businesses under pretense of bailouts. Heavy regulation policies designed to conform to universal standards. Centralised Goverment mentality hostile towards state rights.

 

[Revoltingest]

What is frightening is that you are likely serious.

Imprecatory "hope", eh.

 

[YmirGF]

Imprecatory "hope", eh.

Now there's a cormulent thought

 

[ENTP Logician]

As we are nearing the end of his second term as President, maybe now is the right time to reconsider the view that Barack Obama was a socialist and posed a threat to the American system of government.

Below is a video clip of Jason Unruhe (of Maoist rebels news) explaining why Obama has been good for corporate profit margins and bad for workers wages and therefore cannot be considered a socialist or communist.

As the results of his eight years in power are now in, does anyone want to argue that Obama is or has been a socialist after eight years with him as President? Does it depend on the meaning of the word "socialism"? Has his Presidency been good or bad for the US and the american ecomony?

Its difficult to say.

I disliked the main system that people often call him socialist for (The Affordable Healthcare and Patient Protection Act) due to me favoring having a healthcare system more akin to Canada or the UK's system.

 

[metis]

What is frightening is that you are likely serious.
But Obama, for all his faults didn't setup the system. Yes, the travesty of Obamacare/UnACA is his baby, but many of the so-called "socialist" aspects of government have existed for many years.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Obama inherited the worst economic mess since FDR and took both Bernanke's and Paulson's advice to "bail out" the three huge banks to keep them and the country afloat. A great many economists, including conservative ones, realize that our economy was in "freefall", as economist Joseph Stiglitz called it. Today, our economy is doing better in its recovery than Europe's and Japan's, and both the dollar and business profits are doing very well.

As to the ACA, common sense should tell anyone that if it needs fixing, and I agree that it does, then fix it, but the Republicans have put politics well ahead of both common sense and the well being of millions of Americans.

 

[Revoltingest]

Whether you want to admit it or not, Obama inherited the worst economic mess since FDR and took both Bernanke's and Paulson's advice to "bail out" the three huge banks to keep them and the country afloat. A great many economists, including conservative ones, realize that our economy was in "freefall", as economist Joseph Stiglitz called it. Today, our economy is doing better in its recovery than Europe's and Japan's, and both the dollar and business profits are doing very well.

As to the ACA, common sense should tell anyone that if it needs fixing, and I agree that it does, then fix it, but the Republicans have put politics well ahead of both common sense and the well being of millions of Americans.

Recovery was horribly slow, & is still incomplete.
And you give Obama credit?
A shaved weasel as president could've gotten the same or even better results simply by doing nothing.
I suppose Obama will get credit for the sun rising tomorrow too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If he was a Socialist, the social elites wouldn't with runaway post-recession recovery while everybody else stagnates and falls.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Obama's health plan is obviously an abject failure.

I'll admit, it has its shortcomings and need for improvement, but "abject failure" seems harsh.

Creating a class of dependency on govt.

Is it the government creating it, or the common low-wage/pt employers who force workers into welfare?

Redistribution of wealth.

Those gaining in wealth under Obama were the ones who already had a massive chunk of the money for themselves pre-Recession. Post-Recession they are the ones who have been gaining.

Control of private businesses under pretense of bailouts.

If they want tax payer money, then why shouldn't they have rules to play by? Funny how the right has been "huffy" over this one, but they are all for imposing various standards and testings for receiving "regular" welfare. Corporate welfare apparently is off the hook when it comes to imposing restrictions and regulations. It's ok to go on vacation and blow the money when you have a ton of money, but if you make very little, the Right wants their lives under a microscope.

Heavy regulation policies designed to conform to universal standards.

Tough ****. We have to change the way we do things to conform to things universal environmental standards or global warming is hardly our only problem. Resource depletion and pollution (not just air) are two things that quickly come to mind. Personally, I'm glad I've only ever heard stories of a river catching on fire.

Centralised Goverment mentality hostile towards state rights.

Tough ****. Those "state's rights" are nothing more than rally cries to discriminate against minorities and deny healthcare to women, just because they read it somewhere in that black book of theirs they've probably never even actually read for themselves, let alone have critically considered its contents. Not only do we need, as history has already shown us, federal oversight to protect the rights of minorities, we could do with a few other falling under federal oversight, such as driving and gun laws, especially to simplify things and keep people legal when they cross state borders.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'll admit, it has its shortcomings and need for improvement, but "abject failure" seems harsh.

Is it the government creating it, or the common low-wage/pt employers who force workers into welfare?

Those gaining in wealth under Obama were the ones who already had a massive chunk of the money for themselves pre-Recession. Post-Recession they are the ones who have been gaining.

If they want tax payer money, then why shouldn't they have rules to play by? Funny how the right has been "huffy" over this one, but they are all for imposing various standards and testings for receiving "regular" welfare. Corporate welfare apparently is off the hook when it comes to imposing restrictions and regulations. It's ok to go on vacation and blow the money when you have a ton of money, but if you make very little, the Right wants their lives under a microscope.

Tough ****. We have to change the way we do things to conform to things universal environmental standards or global warming is hardly our only problem. Resource depletion and pollution (not just air) are two things that quickly come to mind. Personally, I'm glad I've only ever heard stories of a river catching on fire.

Tough ****. Those "state's rights" are nothing more than rally cries to discriminate against minorities and deny healthcare to women, just because they read it somewhere in that black book of theirs they've probably never even actually read for themselves, let alone have critically considered its contents. Not only do we need, as history has already shown us, federal oversight to protect the rights of minorities, we could do with a few other falling under federal oversight, such as driving and gun laws, especially to simplify things and keep people legal when they cross state borders.

That's not a country I want to live in.