Lostinthisworld
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Was Jesus the devil, and if so who are all these christians following ?
He came as a lamb, but he will be back as a lion ( the lion is pride )
He came as a lamb, but he will be back as a lion ( the lion is pride )
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According to William Blake, yes he was. And according to William Blake, this is a good thing, not a bad thing.Lostinthisworld said:Was Jesus the devil
No...Was Jesus the devil
How about a reason why you say noMister Emu said:No...
lilithu said:According to William Blake, yes he was. And according to William Blake, this is a good thing, not a bad thing.
William Blake was a quite famous English mystic, poet, and artist at the turn of the 19th century. Some people might call him insane; to me he is brilliant. Being a poet, I'm sure that he had good "reading comprehension." But more than being able to understand the meaning of the words, he was able to understand the meaning beyond the words. Blake believed in the spirit of the law over the letter of the law, much like that person in the bible to whom you refer.true blood said:Who is Will Blake? Any sane person, using logic, reading a book called the bible should be able to discern that Jesus and the devil are not the same. Obviously everyone does not have the reading comprehension skills to see the difference between the two.
It's been a while but I will try to relate his ideas without doing too much damage them. Anyone else who knows Blake is invited to jump in and correct me.Lostinthisworld said:I can see why thats not a bad thing, but what is Will's reason
Not in this context it isn't.Lostinthisworld said:He came as a lamb, but he will be back as a lion ( the lion is pride )
So Blake doesn't actually think Jesus was "The Devil", but simply that his nature or purpose was in alignment with things that Blake feels 'devils' represent?lilithu said:According to Blake, the devil represents passion, desire, drive, energy. True, he can be destructive, chaotic and frightening, but he is necessary for life. According to Blake, the angel represents order, structure, discipline, restraint.
These ideas are a little outlandish to me. As this is 'biblical debate' any references, specific examples you might want to give?Luke Wolf said:Jesus and Satan do have the same powers, and can do the same thing...Satan will resurect the Anti-Christ.
How is it possible? Satan was cast out of heaven. Jesus rejected him outright. How do you think they can 'make a foursome' the same way that that trinity is a threesome. I mean, whether or not people believe that the trinity is literally one (one being) or three seperate beings united in purpose, it is still true that the three parts of the trinity work together for the same goals. This is not true of Satan.Luke Wolf said:So it is possible that instead of God being the trinity being of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, God might be a quatrine (Four-some) being consisting of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and Satan.
hmm....no. For Blake, Jesus and the guy who tempted Adam & Eve are the one and the same. For Blake, the Fall was both a necessary and blessed event. Without it, we would still be in the garden in Eden - static, sitting aruond naked eating fruit and nuts. (I would be bored out of my mind!) The Fall was necessary for change and creativity and passion. After the Fall - after tasting of the tree of knowledge - is when we developed Art, Music, Literature, Philosophy, Science...all the things that we tend to think of as the things that make us human, distinct from other animals. Yes, it's true that we also developed murder and war, etc but all these things are inextricably intertwined.rivenrock said:So Blake doesn't actually think Jesus was "The Devil", but simply that his nature or purpose was in alignment with things that Blake feels 'devils' represent?
The peacock is typically the animal referred to as having pride(also satan was sometimes referred to as a peacock), a group of lions is a pride, but those 2 uses of pride are not necessarily equivalent. regardless, Jesus will come back "as a lion" in the sense that he will come back to cleanse the earth of evil and oppression. he will fight with an army of the angels(and some humans- the true believers) to destroy evil, kill the anti christ, and destroy the "satanic system". He and his companions will be like ravaging lions when they fight against evil, but as peaceful as lambs the rest of the time(while spreading the truth about God to those who will accept it); much like the original followers of Muhammad are depicted. Jesus was not the Devil, nor was he God. He was a prophet of God and he delivered the message he was sent to deliver. the modern christians follow Paul(the Liar/spouter of Lies in the Dead Sea Scrolls, Buloos ad-dajjal in Islam) the original followers of Christ were much different than those of today.Lostinthisworld said:Was Jesus the devil, and if so who are all these christians following ?
He came as a lamb, but he will be back as a lion ( the lion is pride )
yes he was ,he offered jesus all the kingdoms of the world if he would do one act of worship to him, jesus knew that it was not time yet to be a king of Gods kingdom. eventualy satan will not be the ruler of the kingdoms of the world , because jesus will take over rulership (1 john 5;19) ( daniel 2;44)fredm596 said:This is my first post, i am not sure exactly where i stand, but wasn't jesus tempted by satan in the wilderness after his baptism from John?
And we should all live our life according to what William Blake says, now shouldn't we?:biglaugh:lilithu said:According to William Blake, yes he was. And according to William Blake, this is a good thing, not a bad thing.