Utah’s medical marijuana ballot measure would violate Mormons’ religious beliefs,

[Twilight Hue]

I can just see all the Mormons dodging second-hand smoke like it was the plague.

 

[Mindmaster]

Some people are such idiots, and I'm not talking about Mormons. I'm talking about anybody gullible enough to believe some of the nonsense that is disseminated about Mormonism. Hey, but that's just me, a Mormon, talking to you, a Satanist, even though I'm supposedly not allowed to.

Admittedly, I'm poking fun a bit. Most religions have these whack beliefs via what outsiders would accept. While I don't consider myself an expert on Mormonism (nor really care to be), there are certain beliefs which are debatable in any religion. Consider it hyperbole from the angle of humor, not a factual discourse. Anyway, Satanists simply live and let live -- you wan't your weed it's not my business. But, I am also against imposing those beliefs on others through legislation.

 

[sun rise]

Yes, there is an official statement from the LDS Church. Thanks for asking. I can't say I am in agreement with it, but at least now we've got the reasons behind the Church's objections -- for those like you, who actually seem to want the facts.

I'm not concerned with people who have an objection to a proposal. I am concerned about those who want to overturn the will of the people by claiming a religious objection which is what happens in a theocracy.

 

[MonkeyFire]

"Dumb dumb dumb dumb"

Whenever I get high, I get high with Jesus. Anywho, Mormons will be eliminated early on in all out holy war brought on by religious freedom. Peace be with you.

 

[Vinayaka]

Well, there is evidence which is irrefutable.
I have difficulty just getting a good tomato crop.
A conspiracy of the Ragu cartel?

No. It's the cucumber farmers. They know that quite a few folks substitute cucumber for tomato. It's a bonus for them tp kill tomatoes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not concerned with people who have an objection to a proposal. I am concerned about those who want to overturn the will of the people by claiming a religious objection which is what happens in a theocracy.

Worse yet trying to use the courts to do so. That is extremely ironic to me considering the full implications of the First Amendment.

 

[columbus]

Why is the Mormon Church to blame in Utah but not everywhere else?

Because the Mormon Church has a history of political action, trying to force non-Mormons to do things their way.
As a gay man who clearly remembers the successful Mormon campaign to add marriage inequality to the California Constitution, I know for a fact that Mormons (as a group, not necessarily you personally) will attempt to force their beliefs on the rest of us. They have the money and political clout to do it, and they do.

While insisting on keeping their special tax status. They expect the people who they fight against to pay property taxes for them.
Tom

 

[Deeje]

I'm for the legalization of medical marijuana, just so we have that cleared up. But what on earth does greed have to do with the issue?

You might be sorry you asked....

Are you seriously asking me what greed has to do with the legalization of medicinal cannabis?

Are you unaware that the Bible says that the entire world system is under the control of the devil? (1 John 5:19)
He has his own "trinity" by which he attempts to control every human on this planet......politics, commerce and religion. (All mentioned in Revelation in connection with the end times)

Politics is influenced by commerce because it has to rely on tax money. The more money companies make, the more tax they are supposed to pay.
Religion is fairly well controlled by politics if the church's support in political issues is anything to go by.
Commerce gains support from the government (for obvious reasons) and tries to extract every dollar it can by any means. The advertising industry is its main means of 'perception management' about the products is tries to sell us. In fact "perception management" is used in all these facets of the devil's world to lead people in one direction.....down the wrong road. (Matthew 7:13-14)

How are these systems working together to support the devil's system? Anyone who has had to deal with the medical system as it stands now will understand "big pharma's" finger in so many pies.....money pies. What has medicine become in this last century? Plant based medicines, used for centuries, have been replaced by synthetic drugs with abominable side effects. Doctors are trained in medical schools funded by drug companies. Their research is funded by the same people who manufacture the drugs that will be used to treat patients. They are schooled in "pharmacology", which as we know today, means going to a doctor or specialist and walking out with a prescription (or many) for the "treatment" of a condition. We have all come to accept that this is what medicine should be, having been convinced long ago that plant based medicine is old fashioned quackery and "pills" are all we need to treat everything.

In the old days, a doctor was dedicated to his patients....but today he seems more dedicated to his bank account.

The medical system has become nothing more than a money making racket, designed, not to cure disease, but to treat symptoms in a way that will hoodwink patients into thinking that they are feeling better, so the medicine must be doing them good. What they have not realized is that these "treatments" are designed to make you a customer for the rest of your 'medicated' life. Got nasty side effects? Here have some more drugs! $$$$

Sit in any pharmacy and watch people getting their prescriptions filled and see how much money they have to pay for the privilege of being a perpetual patient in that system. Its mind boggling!...and disgusting!

You ask what has greed got to do with it? ....EVERYTHING!

If cannabis is legalized, and used as a whole plant based medicine (not interfered with by "big pharma") to treat an amazing number of medical conditions because the human body is designed to use these cannabinoids in many areas of the body for healing, then drug companies will have to explain why they demonized this plant 70 odd years ago by painting it as a drug that would make you go crazy. Watch the "Reefer Madness" propaganda films designed to make people believe that is was the most dangerous drug ever! If it wasn't so serious.....it would be hilarious.

There is not one recorded death from a cannabis overdose......ever. And it is not addictive. It can even be used to treat addictions to other drugs.

Politics became complicit when it backed the drug companies in this ridiculous lie. It has taken decades to wake up to what we have been duped into believing all this time, but thankfully we are beginning to see the devil at work in all his greedy glory, using his minions to keep the population sick, misled and dependent.

Its time people woke up.....and thankfully IMO, many already have.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Alcohol is legal and so is tobacco, but both of these are costing the health systems in many countries billions of dollars. Cannabis OTOH is a "natural" product that can be used as an effective medicine in many conditions....

Since I'll be in a legal state, I am entirely and utterly done with psychotropic meds, and leaving most of the others behind. Of course cannabis can't replace everything, but it helps with my IBS (which itself has many symptoms and cannabis is the only thing I've found that offers relief for one symptom while aggravating others), it helps me sleep (though in larger quantities or certain strains), and with just a couple pinches of "show room quality" green (Indiana mostly gets what's left over and usable after the trimming), the edge of anxiety and depression is lifted and I feel motivated and uplifted, and I'm far from being stoned.
Zoloft and Effexor make me manic, Prozac makes me puke, Xanax is addictive and hard on the body, amitriptyline leaves me practically comatose all night and excessively into the next day, and trazodone does nothing for me. I don't know how Trintilliex would effect me, as though it was prescribed to me it cost over $500 for a month's supply, after insurance threw in their "contribution."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

then drug companies will have to explain why they demonized this plant 70 odd years ago by painting it as a drug that would make you go crazy. Watch the "Reefer Madness" propaganda films designed to make people believe that is was the most dangerous drug ever!

Reefer Madness was put together by a church. And, back then, it wasn't big pharma so much as it was "big timber," and also blatant racism from the likes of Senator Anslinger.

 

[Katzpur]

You might be sorry you asked....

I'm not sorry I asked. I'm just sorry I misunderstood your original statement. As I said to fantome profane, "It was my opinion that Deeje's statement concerned the LDS Church's stance on medical marijuana."

Are you seriously asking me what greed has to do with the legalization of medicinal cannabis?

That's what I was asking, but I thought you were referring to greed on the part of the LDS Church, which it appears was not the case after all.

 

[Deeje]

Reefer Madness was put together by a church. And, back then, it wasn't big pharma so much as it was "big timber," and also blatant racism from the likes of Senator Anslinger.

1972 theatrical release poster
Directed byLouis J. Gasnier
Produced by

• George Hirliman (1936 film)
• Dwain Esper (1938/39 release)

Screenplay byArthur Hoerl
Story byLawrence Meade

Starring

• Dorothy Short
• Kenneth Craig
• Lillian Miles
• Dave O'Brien
• Thelma White
• Warren McCollum
• Carleton Young

Cinematography Jack Greenhalgh
Edited byCarl Pierson
Distributed byMotion Picture Ventures
Release date
1936, 1938[1][2] or 1939[3][4]
Running time
68 minutes
Country United States
Language English
Budget $100,000

It was originally made to supposedly highlighting the moral dangers of smoking weed.

According to WIKI......"Originally financed by a church group under the title Tell Your Children, the film was intended to be shown to parents as a morality tale attempting to teach them about the dangers of cannabis use. However, soon after the film was shot, it was purchased by producer Dwain Esper, who re-cut the film for distribution on the exploitation film circuit beginning in 1938–1939 through the 1940s and 1950s"

But as the medical system gained power, ever so slowly they had all forms of herbal medicines phased out (even shutting down any of the schools that taught it) and their new "scientifically based" drugs to replace them. Today, there is no stopping the juggernauts that are swallowing up their clients money at an alarming rate but their patients seldom recognize that they are not getting well. Their symptoms might be more under control, but the side effects of these drugs was sometimes worse than the ailment they were being treated for.

Reefer Madness played right into the hands of "big pharma" however.....and the rest as they say...is history.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Reefer Madness played right into the hands of "big pharma" however.....and the rest as they say...is history.

You also have to remember Reefer Madness was made during a time when we still medically used things such as cocaine and heroine, and it was before lithium and chlorpromazine. While RM does play into what would linger on and evolve into big pharma rhetoric against it, it's inaccurate to say big pharma was behind RM. And, economically, in the later years of the Depression, the Right-Winged Reagan/Milton/Rand/Chicago economic styles that today allow big pharma to thrive were then frowned upon, and it was still before the post-WWII Capitalist boom.

 

[Deeje]

You also have to remember Reefer Madness was made during a time when we still medically used things such as cocaine and heroine, and it was before lithium and chlorpromazine. While RM does play into what would linger on and evolve into big pharma rhetoric against it, it's inaccurate to say big pharma was behind RM. And, economically, in the later years of the Depression, the Right-Winged Reagan/Milton/Rand/Chicago economic styles that today allow big pharma to thrive were then frowned upon, and it was still before the post-WWII Capitalist boom.

It was a slow but deliberate process as they discovered the power of suggestion and the impact of propaganda.

The American Health System is broken and no one it seems, wants to fix it. Too busy making $$$$

25 Facts That Show The U.S. Health Care Industry Is One Giant Money Making Scam

Sad isn't it? If no one wants to cure diseases because there is too much profit in perpetuating illness, then who is going to fix this mess?

Certainly not the ones who are laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The American Health System is broken and no one it seems, wants to fix it. Too busy making $$$$

25 Facts That Show The U.S. Health Care Industry Is One Giant Money Making Scam

There is no denying that the American health care system is a mess, and immoral by nearly all standards. But the entire thing cannot be dismissed as a scam because there are doctors who care, there are treatments that work, and their are medications that improve the quality of life for those suffering with various ailments and conditions, and a bug bite and scratch isn't as likely to kill us to boot. Any provider has to navigate the money making pitfalls and traps laid out by insurance, but that does't make it a scam. There are fraudulent practices and biased studies published, but today we laugh at and shrug off diseases that were once a death sentence for even our recent (and some still living) ancestors. There isn't a cure for HIV/AIDs yet, but do consider how far treatment has advanced over the past 30 years since the emergence of the virus.

 

[Shad]

Why is the Mormon Church to blame in Utah but not everywhere else?

As it is seen as an enclave or bastion of LDS. Just as many will blame Evangelicals or Baptists in the South for X.

 

[Katzpur]

As it is seen as an enclave or bastion of LDS. Just as many will blame Evangelicals or Baptists in the South for X.

I realize that, but it's not a rational explanation for a situation that exists throughout the United States. Utah was one of the first states, I believe, to restrict smoking in public places for the simple reason that second-hand smoke is a health hazard. Everybody who was upset about it blamed the LDS Church for trying to impose its beliefs on society as a whole. It was not long, though, before such laws existed in every state. People had to find someone else to blame in the other 49 states. I mean, if there's a correlation, fine; call people's attention to it, but don't invent one.

 

[ecco]

RE: The linked article...
Utah Medical Marijuana Initiative

... it starts out with a big lie...

The proposed Utah Medical Marijuana Initiative is a matter of great controversy in this state. The negative effects and consequences of marijuana use on individuals, families, and society at large are well-known.
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I didn't read any further.

 

[ecco]

Reefer Madness was put together by a church. And, back then, it wasn't big pharma so much as it was "big timber," and also blatant racism from the likes of Senator Anslinger.

It's nice to see someone who knows the history of marijuana prohibition.

"Big timber" specifically in the name of newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst who owned vast tracks of timber and knew marijuana plants also make good paper.

I'd just add that racism against Mexicans also played a part in this.

 

[Milton Platt]

I'm only slightly surprised by this story. But only slightly. Opening the door to discrimination even a little bit inevitably results in a flood of ever more extreme efforts to discriminate based on religion.

Utah’s medical marijuana ballot measure would violate Mormons’ religious beliefs, opponents say in new court filing, which initiative supporters call a ‘Hail Mary’

Why should one be related to the other in any way? Mormons are not compelled to use it, are they?