US: Donald Trump launches 2024 comeback bid, makes his 'very big announcement'

[Ben Dhyan]

And now you are repeating your false claims. You are also once again claiming that your God is evil

Why should anyone love an evil God? Are you evil?

God is all existence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is all.

All what?

Vague claims are not evidence. They are not a proper argument either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God is all existence.

See above.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

All what?

Vague claims are not evidence. They are not a proper argument either.

All words can be seen as labels that represent something, nothing more, mere brain synapse patterns. The problem with conceptual reality (which is that which exists when people talk to each other like we are doing here) is that the actual reality is on the other side of the concept 'reality'. Do you see what I'm getting at, when I use the word/label 'God', I understand beyond words what that reality is that is represented by the label, but unless you spent half a life time in serious religious practice, you could not possibly understand what that reality is, and therefore what was meant by the label 'God'. Hence you are not in a position know if there is God or there is not. What makes one an adversary of God is if, despite not knowing the truth yet, one claims positively there is no such reality represented by the concept of God.

The more humble man would choose to call themselves an agnostic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All words can be seen as labels that represent something, nothing more, mere brain synapse patterns. The problem with conceptual reality (which is that which exists when people talk to each other like we are doing here) is that the actual reality is on the other side of the concept 'reality'. Do you see what I'm getting at, when I use the word/label 'God', I understand beyond words what that reality is that is represented by the label, but unless you spent half a life time in serious religious practice, you could not possibly understand what that reality is, and therefore what was meant by the label 'God'. Hence you are not in a position know if there is God or there is not. What makes one an adversary of God is if, despite not knowing the truth yet, one claims positively there is no such reality represented by the concept of God.

The more humble man would choose to call themselves an agnostic.

Or you could just be terribly self deluded. The question is how do you properly test your beliefs? Do you think that you can?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

US: Donald Trump launches 2024 comeback bid, makes his 'very big announcement'

Interesting times, will Trump be the next president. He gave a "good" pep talk, I guess that many Americans like his speech. After Biden, Trump looks more capable and powerful

What do you (Americans) think about Trump? You will vote Trump or not?

I'll vote for him if he's the nominee but I prefer younger candidates. He's too old. I want Tulsi, who I originally wanted in 2020.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Or you could just be terribly self deluded. The question is how do you properly test your beliefs? Do you think that you can?

Yes, one (not my I self) has realized it, but to test and realize that on the other side of the religious belief of God, one must first test the belief one has about oneself in the larger context of existence. Are you really what and who you presently think you are? Otherwise it would be a waste of time if the seeker had not realized what he was and who he was in the universal context to begin with.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, one (not my I self) has realized it, but to test and realize that on the other side of the religious belief of God, one must first test the belief one has about oneself in the larger context of existence. Are you really what and who you presently think you are? Otherwise it would be a waste of time if the seeker did not what he was and who they were in the universal context to begin with.

You are being rather unclear. How did you test your beliefs? Most people do not know how to do that properly.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are being rather unclear. How did you test your beliefs? Most people do not know how to do that properly.

One must go beyond belief, beliefs are as I've explained, mere conceptualizations about reality, one must realize thar reality directly. The personal I deals in concepts, it has no place in realizing God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One must go beyond belief, beliefs are as I've explained, mere conceptualizations about reality, one must realize thar reality directly. The personal I deals in concepts, it has no place in realizing God.

It sounds as if you are trying to rationalize and irrational belief.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It sounds as if you are trying to rationalize and irrational belief.

The truth can never be realized by the personal I, not mine, not yours', not anyones', if you see that as some sort of rationalization then so be it, let us not waste each other's time further.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The truth can never be realized by the personal I, not mine, not yours', not anyones', if you see that as some sort of rationalization then so be it, let us not waste each other's time further.

And straight into woo woo. So sad, no evidence. Not even a clue what the word means.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And straight into woo woo. So sad, no evidence. Not even a clue what the word means.

This verse always reminds me of lost souls, please God help them to find out what and who they really are.

Into this world, and why not knowing,
Nor whence, like water willy nilly flowing,
And out of it, as wind along the waste,
I know not whither, willy nilly blowing. - Omar Khayyám

 

[SkepticThinker]

For heaven's sake, how many times does it have to be explained, 'Satan' means adversary of God, if you love God you are not satanic, do you love God?

You mean, Satan means adversary of God in the particular religion you've chosen to follow.

I'm not asking for definitions here. I'm asking for evidence for your claims that such things exist.

You're trying to tell me that I'm on the side of someone or something that I don't even believe exists in the first place. Like the Shoopley example from my last post.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I've provided the evidence, if you do not accept and love God, then you are an adversary of God and thus satanic according to the biblical meaning of satan, end of story!

That's the thing, you did not provide the evidence, as illustrated in my last post about Shoopley. You just made declarative statements as though they were factually accurate and declared that "I" am the evidence. Which means pretty much nothing and is not evidence of the existence of satan or god(s).

 

[SkepticThinker]

God is all.

Shoopley is all.

 

[SkepticThinker]

All words can be seen as labels that represent something, nothing more, mere brain synapse patterns. The problem with conceptual reality (which is that which exists when people talk to each other like we are doing here) is that the actual reality is on the other side of the concept 'reality'. Do you see what I'm getting at, when I use the word/label 'God', I understand beyond words what that reality is that is represented by the label, but unless you spent half a life time in serious religious practice, you could not possibly understand what that reality is, and therefore what was meant by the label 'God'. Hence you are not in a position know if there is God or there is not. What makes one an adversary of God is if, despite not knowing the truth yet, one claims positively there is no such reality represented by the concept of God.

The more humble man would choose to call themselves an agnostic.

You know what would help me believe? EVIDENCE.
Got any?

By the way, I'm an agnostic atheist who wants to believe in as many true things as possible while not believing in as many false things as possible.

 

[metis]

I'll vote for him if he's the nominee

So, his dishonesty, record as an abuser of women, using prostitutes while cheating on his wives, paying people off to silence them, his various scandals such as with the Trump Organization, etc., is all fine & dandy with you? Where does the Church teach that this is acceptable?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You mean, Satan means adversary of God in the particular religion you've chosen to follow.

I'm not asking for definitions here. I'm asking for evidence for your claims that such things exist.

You're trying to tell me that I'm on the side of someone or something that I don't even believe exists in the first place. Like the Shoopley example from my last post.

Trying to explain God reality to atheists is extremely difficult because whereas God reality is the world of causes, atheists see reality in the world of effects.

Wrt evidence for an adversary of God, you seem to be implying that you do not exist, but in fact you do. Pretending to not exist in order to avoid acknowledging the evidence is not going to cut it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

That's the thing, you did not provide the evidence, as illustrated in my last post about Shoopley. You just made declarative statements as though they were factually accurate and declared that "I" am the evidence. Which means pretty much nothing and is not evidence of the existence of satan or god(s).

See above.