Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
He was certainly less coherent.
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Trump's strong support / Democrats' lack of support, by white women
- Thread starter PoetPhilosopher
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He was certainly less coherent.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Right, but how does Trump being a sexual predator mean that American women are okay with being sexually assaulted?
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Can I interest you in a serial philandering, racist and self-serving liar?
Doesn't answer my question, but which one do you have in mind?
ecco
Veteran Member
The only promise Trump kept was to put conservatives on the Supreme Court, thereby emboldening Texas' Abbott to sign a really tough anti-abortion law with no provisions for exceptions for rape because he is going to
eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas
tas8831
Well-Known Member
You're joking, yes?
tas8831
Well-Known Member
Is it really just personality? Really? A serial adulterer, money grubbing racist narcissist, and its just 'you don't like him because he made fun of a deformed guy'?
So much for that conservative 'family values' and 'character counts' thing... As long as he hates the same people you do, he's gold! Literally!
In my opinion almost nobody who votes Republican has a good reason. I'd bet that if you broke down white women voting Democratic and Republican, you'd find the Democratic voters are much better educated, and are able to articulate good reasons for voting Democratic, such as the defense of abortion rights, or just seeing how the Democrats deal with their Franken's, Weiner's, and Cuomo's, or how they support #metoo while conservatives jeer at it, and how the Democrats but not the Reublicans support ideas like maternal leave, increased tax breaks for minor dependents, trying to get the other students in their children's classes masked, an infrastructure bill that supports increased daycare services, and the like. The Democrats are the party of families. Who's fighting to keep those families, many single-parent households, from being evicted? Not the Republicans, who want their pandemic benefits withheld to force them back to work.
Then you have the intellectual plankton that just float where the currents of conservative indoctrination media take them, to Republicanism, to climate denial, to election hoax, and to vaccine and mask opposition. None of them has a good reason for any of these positions, but they'll give you one that immediately falls apart on first blush. Just as the antivaxxers will give you some empty answer about needing full government approval of the vaccine (we already know that that matters to almost none of these people) or that the vaccines are experimental (nope), we get answers for voting for Republicans that as equally factually challenged as one we've seen on this thread already about Trump keeping promises more, despite failing to complete his wall or make Mexico pay for it, release his taxes, come up with an improvement of Obamacare (two weeks away at all times), an infrastructure bill (also just two weeks away), and balancing the budget in four years. Forget that the evidence completely contradicts that opinion, it has been implanted, accepted uncritically, and now regurgitated.
It's pointless to ask what the Democrats need to do to win women who think that way back. Nothing. These people are just lost to the conservative currents because they can't and don't evaluate evidence. They don't think critically. If all you have to offer them is evidence and reason, good luck with that. Those aren't their currency of belief. Have you seen the current thread about climate change? We've got a climate denier that many people are offering scientific arguments to. He's impermeable to such things. They have no chance of making an impact.
One might ask how the climate scientists are failing him and what they need to do t bring him back into the fold of reason. It's framing the question incorrectly. It assumes that they can be brought back if the scientists (or Democrats) merely say the right thing to them, when there is no right thing.
America can't get healthy as long as this incessant, dishonest indoctrination is permitted to continue reeling in those unable to think critically by the tens of millions. It began with the repealing of the Fairness Doctrine, and won't end unless it is reinstated.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Obesity is an illness. It shouldn't be accepted as a norm or ok because it is not healthy, but it's not cool to use illness as a part of an insult (just as it's not cool to shame people over illnesses).
ecco
Veteran Member
Trump's first (only?) big law was a massive tax cut for the wealthy and for businesses. The parts for the wealthy and big businesses are still in effect.
My emphases
Republicans passed tax cuts — then profited – Center for Public Integrity
How can you be so wrong? This is public information. It only happened a few years ago and received a lot of publicity. When the price of Apple stock hit a then-record high in October 2018, among the shareholders counting their gains were 43 Republicans in Congress, who collectively owned as much as $1.5 million worth of the tech giant’s shares. Apple’s stock jumped 37 percent in its run-up to that record. Several variables were behind the climb, including higher-than-expected earnings.
But congressional Republicans themselves had a hand in the spike, stock analysts say. Legislation they championed — the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act — doled out nearly $150 billion in corporate tax savings in 2018 alone. One effect: a big boost in stock prices.
Cutting tax rates for companies like Apple and hundreds of other stocks they own was one of many ways Republican lawmakers enriched themselves after they passed the tax law, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of the 186-page law and members’ financial disclosure forms. Democrats also stood to gain from the tax bill, though not one voted for it; all but 12 Republicans voted for the tax bill.
But congressional Republicans themselves had a hand in the spike, stock analysts say. Legislation they championed — the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act — doled out nearly $150 billion in corporate tax savings in 2018 alone. One effect: a big boost in stock prices.
Cutting tax rates for companies like Apple and hundreds of other stocks they own was one of many ways Republican lawmakers enriched themselves after they passed the tax law, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of the 186-page law and members’ financial disclosure forms. Democrats also stood to gain from the tax bill, though not one voted for it; all but 12 Republicans voted for the tax bill.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That's half true. Republican voters can often tell you why. But Dem voters (especially when it came to Trump) are more likely to be more educated.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Why is that necessarily a good thing? And, keep in mind, Hitler is someone who actually did what he said he would. I would hope no reasonable person would chose him because of that and would focus on his personality.
ecco
Veteran Member
Aside from conservative supreme court justices, which congressional Republicans would have done with any Republican president and a massive tax cut for business and the wealthy, please name some.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
It's not about Democrats really, but about Trump being very good at creating illusion -- illusory reality.
It's what he's spent his life doing as a salesman for his projects, and he's pretty good at it.
Even if many of us are just immune to his particular sales tactics and won't be tricked, there are many that aren't so immune.
Probably because white women vote will not be as important anymore. My personal recommendation to republicans is to not rely on things that can be overruled by simple natality. Because if they ignore that, they will systematically lose.
Ciao
- viole
Lol I remember first seeing that statue randomly on the news. My Christian cousin remarked that it was the US own Golden Calf statue, sarcastically shocked it wasn’t a golden cheeseburger
(Before my US counterparts take offence, we joked that ours would be either a golden beer statue or a “drop bear.”)
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
I didn't say it doesn't count, but when the choice is between somewhat defective and completely inept, it's an easy choice.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I hadn't realized just how vastly superior the left thinks of itself.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Tax cuts.
Putting America first:
The United States left the Paris Climate Accord, the Iran Nuclear Agreement and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and re-negotiated NAFTA with Canada and Mexico to form the new USMCA trade.
And he at least started on the wall.