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Trump Pardons?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Terry Sampson, May 20, 2019.

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  1. Terry Sampson

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    White House considers pardons for troops facing war crime accusations

    "...Trump may pardon multiple former U.S. service members accused or convicted of war crimes during the upcoming Memorial Day weekend celebration ..."

    I am profoundly opposed to that hairbrained idea.

    P.S. For the record, I served in the U.S. Navy (1967-1971) [One year non-combat service in Saigon, Vietnam.]
     
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    It can only be judged on a case by case basis.
     
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    Nope.
    The case itself can only be judged on a case by case basis. The idea of tying pardons to a celebration can be judged on its own merits.

    In my estimation, it does not give the appearance of justice, which is an important tenet in a legal system.
     
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    Trump is making the July 4th national celebration about 'him'.
     
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    It will make a good headline "Trump Pardons War Criminals" and relatively few will bother to find out the story behind the headlines, so business as usual.
     
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    I improved your post with standard spelling.
     
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    If Trump pardons his cronies well, that's just Trump righting a wrong committed by a bunch of dum leftist leaning civilians.

    However, that's not "the story behind the headlines" here. Commander-in-Chief Trump would be saying that the Military Court, composed of officers, is a bunch of dummies whose judgement He does not value and will override.
     
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  9. Terry Sampson

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    Many thanks! I owe ya'.
     
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    BTW, Trump is also pro-torture and has publicly stated as such.
     
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    How does soldiers in the field in conflict zone zones, especially special forces individuals have anything to do Trump other than he is the current CIC and how do you consider them his "cronies"?

    I suppose these drug dealers, counterfeiters, thieves etc. were Obama's "cronies"
    List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama - Wikipedia

    I imagine that by doing so he was calling Federal laws wrong and the police, prosecutors, judges, and juries were dummies as well.
     
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    My intent is to annoy.
    Your response disappoints me!
     
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    I've got a brother who does it far better than you, for good reason. He knows where almost all of my buttons are.

    Good! That'll learn ya'.

    A masochist and a sadist meet at a party. After the party, the masochist begs the sadist: "Hurt me! Hurt me!"
    The sadist says: "No."
     
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    Each legal case...as in guilt or innocence...can only be judged on a case by case basis. Discretely, if you prefer.

    Tying pardons to a celebration on the other hand...yuck.
     
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    Wait a minute. Are these only accusations or are they actually convicted?
     
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    If they're pardons for military types near a military holiday,
    that's just political PR. Neither here nor there to me.
    (Of course, anti-Trumpettes will oppose it because he
    could polish his image. Pros will like it for the same reason.)
    What matters is the merit of each individual pardon.
     
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    It appears that both are in the mix. What bothers me the most is that he has set an artificial date of Memorial Day for his pardons. That does not give him the time needed to fully investigate the people he is trying to get off. And with the people who have not faced trial we may never know how bad their acts were:

    Trump reportedly wants to pardon accused or convicted war criminals in time for Memorial Day
     
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    I disagree.
    As I said earlier, a key tenet of the justice system is not just that justice is done, but that the appearance of justice is maintained.
    I believe this breeches that concept. It has nothing to do with being an 'anti-Trumpette'. My opinion is my opinion.
     
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    Presidential pardons are supposed to be about justice, often about the
    correction of past injustice. Sure, we've had some bad examples, eg,
    Ford pardoning Nixon, Clinton selling pardons. But many pardons have
    been good, even some of Trump's, eg, Jack Johnson.

    Pardons are part of our system of government. (Presidents & governors
    get to do them.) Will Trump make good or bad choices? We'll see.
     
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    You really need to slow down and try to read with comprehension.

    The word "however" at the beginning of the second paragraph should have been your first clue. The phrase 'that's not "the story behind the headlines" here' should have been your second clue, especially since I was quoting your words - "the story behind the headlines".
     
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