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Trump Pardons?

What do you think of Trump's pardons for troops facing war crime accusations?

  • I am in favor of them.

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Stanyon

WWMRD?
It will make a good headline "Trump Pardons War Criminals" and relatively few will bother to find out the story behind the headlines, so business as usual.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member

ecco

Veteran Member
It will make a good headline "Trump Pardons War Criminals" and relatively few will bother to find out the story behind the headlines, so business as usual.

If Trump pardons his cronies well, that's just Trump righting a wrong committed by a bunch of dum leftist leaning civilians.

However, that's not "the story behind the headlines" here. Commander-in-Chief Trump would be saying that the Military Court, composed of officers, is a bunch of dummies whose judgement He does not value and will override.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
If Trump pardons his cronies

How does soldiers in the field in conflict zone zones, especially special forces individuals have anything to do Trump other than he is the current CIC and how do you consider them his "cronies"?

I suppose these drug dealers, counterfeiters, thieves etc. were Obama's "cronies"
List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama - Wikipedia

I imagine that by doing so he was calling Federal laws wrong and the police, prosecutors, judges, and juries were dummies as well.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Each legal case...as in guilt or innocence...can only be judged on a case by case basis. Discretely, if you prefer.

Tying pardons to a celebration on the other hand...yuck.
If they're pardons for military types near a military holiday,
that's just political PR. Neither here nor there to me.
(Of course, anti-Trumpettes will oppose it because he
could polish his image. Pros will like it for the same reason.)
What matters is the merit of each individual pardon.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Wait a minute. Are these only accusations or are they actually convicted?
It appears that both are in the mix. What bothers me the most is that he has set an artificial date of Memorial Day for his pardons. That does not give him the time needed to fully investigate the people he is trying to get off. And with the people who have not faced trial we may never know how bad their acts were:

Trump reportedly wants to pardon accused or convicted war criminals in time for Memorial Day
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
If they're pardons for military types near a military holiday,
that's just political PR. Neither here nor there to me.
(Of course, anti-Trumpettes will oppose it because he
could polish his image. Pros will like it for the same reason.)
What matters is the merit of each individual pardon.

I disagree.
As I said earlier, a key tenet of the justice system is not just that justice is done, but that the appearance of justice is maintained.
I believe this breeches that concept. It has nothing to do with being an 'anti-Trumpette'. My opinion is my opinion.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I disagree.
As I said earlier, a key tenet of the justice system is not just that justice is done, but that the appearance of justice is maintained.
I believe this breeches that concept. It has nothing to do with being an 'anti-Trumpette'. My opinion is my opinion.
Presidential pardons are supposed to be about justice, often about the
correction of past injustice. Sure, we've had some bad examples, eg,
Ford pardoning Nixon, Clinton selling pardons. But many pardons have
been good, even some of Trump's, eg, Jack Johnson.

Pardons are part of our system of government. (Presidents & governors
get to do them.) Will Trump make good or bad choices? We'll see.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
If Trump pardons his cronies well, that's just Trump righting a wrong committed by a bunch of dum leftist leaning civilians.

However, that's not "the story behind the headlines" here. Commander-in-Chief Trump would be saying that the Military Court, composed of officers, is a bunch of dummies whose judgement He does not value and will override.
How does soldiers in the field in conflict zone zones, especially special forces individuals have anything to do Trump other than he is the current CIC and how do you consider them his "cronies"?
You really need to slow down and try to read with comprehension.

The word "however" at the beginning of the second paragraph should have been your first clue. The phrase 'that's not "the story behind the headlines" here' should have been your second clue, especially since I was quoting your words - "the story behind the headlines".
 
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