Terry Sampson
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Ahhh, ... right: Replacement Theology 2.0, which replaces Replacement Theology 1.0.The Jews are Gods chosen...
Has it occurred to you that the difference between 2.0 and 1.0 is a change in versions only?
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Ahhh, ... right: Replacement Theology 2.0, which replaces Replacement Theology 1.0.The Jews are Gods chosen...
Replacement theology at it's heart replace the Jews as God's chosen, with Christians.Ahhh, ... right: Replacement Theology 2.0, which replaces Replacement Theology 1.0.
Has it occurred to you that the difference between 2.0 and 1.0 is a change in versions only?
I really do think I understand what you're saying and I'll take your word for it that many Christians would agree with you, but ...I do not do that, and many Christians do not.
I agree, the Jews have a right to believe what they believe. I have no remit to convert them, their own people will do that according to Gods timeline.I really do think I understand what you're saying and I'll take your word for it that many Christians would agree with you, but ...
Suppose, for a moment, that the Jews, and only the Jews, get to decide who is and who isn't their Messiah. In that case--so it seems to me--fussing over whether they were right in rejecting Jesus as their Messiah is a "red herring" and ain't nobody's business except the Jews' business. If God or Jesus have any objections, they can take it up with the Jews when everybody gets to the top of the mountain. Till then, I say, the Jews have their path and we have our path and I, for one, will be pleased no end if and when I make it to the top. One thing I firmly believe is certain: There are going be a lot of folks who are going to be surprised to see each other at the top.
What is Supersessionism? According to wikipedia;
Supersessionism, also called replacement theology, is a Christian doctrine which asserts that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ supersedes the Old Covenant, which was made exclusively with the Jewish people.
In Christianity, supersessionism is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism. It holds that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God or that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant. From a supersessionist's "point of view, just by continuing to exist [outside the Church], the Jews dissent". This view directly contrasts with dual-covenant theology which holds that the Mosaic covenant remains valid for Jews.
Supersessionism has formed a core tenet of the Christian Churches for the majority of their existence. Christian traditions that have traditionally championed dual-covenant theology (including the Roman Catholic, Reformed and Methodist teachings of this doctrine), have taught that the moral law continues to stand.
Supersessionism - Wikipedia
I see problems with supersessionism. I'm trying to better understand the concept not just in regards Christianity but Islam and the Baha'i Faith too. It would be interesting to hear to what extent the Founders of these religions taught supersessionism. However, a consideration of Christianity in relation to Judaism is a logical starting place.
However many Jews would consider that Mosaic law in its entirety is no longer applicable for this day.
Then why did god go through with it? If youknow it will fail amd do it anyways, thats not being godly it's being an idiot. Amd it seems to go against stories such as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where god assured Lot there were no righteous people in it, butdouble checked anyways to put Lots concerns at ease. This "know it will fail" makes your god look weak, dumb, and terribly inefficient.yet He knew all along they would break
Sounds like another problem with god, setting the bar so high he knows it can't be cleared. Is he also a sadist they way he seemingly wants to see people fail impossible tasks? Making life a Kobayashi Maru scenario is viciously and savagely cruel.The earthly nation couldn't ever really please God even though they wanted to at times.
Not everyone wants to, not everyone thinks your god deserving of worship or being called god.We are all the same and we cannot submit to the Law of God.
That is your belief. I say we are humans. Quirky, emotional, irrational, it is our condition. This does not make everything we do count as filthy rags. I don't hate humanity quite enough to condemn and denoujce with such broad strokes of contempt and disregard. I don't loathe our kind so much I would resort to such put downs, insults, and negativity.All our righteousness is counted as filthy rags.
Why should anyone serve your god who makes impossible tasks and denounces everyone as a filthy rag?So they could serve God
Oh, you're an adult and I'm not? Okay, that's nice. As for wizanda; I don't believe you should single him out or pick on him at all.So, as you have made quite clear, rampant replacement theology is still with us here in RF. Now, why don't you go over to the bench and have a seat next to wizanda. Perhaps you two can entertain each other while the adults chat.
Here's a thought to take with you when you go: There's just one mountain and two paths up that mountain: one for the Jews and the other for the followers of Jesus. If you're not on one path or the other, I say you're on a different mountain.
What is Supersessionism? According to wikipedia;
Supersessionism, also called replacement theology, is a Christian doctrine which asserts that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ supersedes the Old Covenant, which was made exclusively with the Jewish people.
In Christianity, supersessionism is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism. It holds that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God or that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant. From a supersessionist's "point of view, just by continuing to exist [outside the Church], the Jews dissent". This view directly contrasts with dual-covenant theology which holds that the Mosaic covenant remains valid for Jews.
Supersessionism has formed a core tenet of the Christian Churches for the majority of their existence. Christian traditions that have traditionally championed dual-covenant theology (including the Roman Catholic, Reformed and Methodist teachings of this doctrine), have taught that the moral law continues to stand.
Supersessionism - Wikipedia
I see problems with supersessionism. I'm trying to better understand the concept not just in regards Christianity but Islam and the Baha'i Faith too. It would be interesting to hear to what extent the Founders of these religions taught supersessionism. However, a consideration of Christianity in relation to Judaism is a logical starting place.
No, it was done to bring a few to righteousness. For all those who disobeyed many others choose the right path and were saved. However even they had to be forgiven. No one can truly live up to the Law of Moses. Even Moses sinned. But the good news is God forgives those who at least try to obey.Then why did god go through with it? If youknow it will fail amd do it anyways, thats not being godly it's being an idiot. Amd it seems to go against stories such as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, where god assured Lot there were no righteous people in it, butdouble checked anyways to put Lots concerns at ease. This "know it will fail" makes your god look weak, dumb, and terribly inefficient.
Failure is assured but mercy and clemency is also assured if we really follow the way of God. It doesn't matter how many times you fall down; only how many times you get back up.Sounds like another problem with god, setting the bar so high he knows it can't be cleared. Is he also a sadist they way he seemingly wants to see people fail impossible tasks? Making life a Kobayashi Maru scenario is viciously and savagely cruel.
Yes of course. The fact is that Satan is real and can place (spiritual) chains on people and put them under a hex so that they won't be able to love the truth. But, the good news is God can change people and deliver them.Not everyone wants to, not everyone thinks your god deserving of worship or being called god.
It's to show how even in our best state we aren't perfect. So we have a need. Pride keeps us from admitting it. The truth is harsh sometimes but still true. The light reveals everything that's why people prefer darkness.That is your belief. I say we are humans. Quirky, emotional, irrational, it is our condition. This does not make everything we do count as filthy rags. I don't hate humanity quite enough to condemn and denoujce with such broad strokes of contempt and disregard. I don't loathe our kind so much I would resort to such put downs, insults, and negativity.
What is impossible for us is possible for God and even though what we make of ourselves is counted as filthy rags; that doesn't mean God can't make true righteousness in us. And this saying doesn't offend sinners; it only offends people who think they are good. Sinners who know they are bad are already able to admit it and are closer to repenting than people who think they are good.Why should anyone serve your god who makes impossible tasks and denounces everyone as a filthy rag?
That's not what I do. Yet, they still accuse me of replacement theology. It's just a way to silence the truth.Replacement theology at it's heart replace the Jews as God's chosen, with Christians.
I do not do that, and many Christians do not.
Christians are holding the place for the Jews, till they find it. We never replace them.
Based on what study do you make this statement?
Obviously there is some nuance, some shade of meaning, that is eluding me. So, for all us older folks feeling a little dense, please explain what you in the remark above.
It is Reform Judaism not Reformed Judaism.Reformed Judaism constitutes a sizable group within Judaism.
I see problems with supersessionism. I'm trying to better understand the concept not just in regards Christianity but Islam and the Baha'i Faith too. It would be interesting to hear to what extent the Founders of these religions taught supersessionism. However, a consideration of Christianity in relation to Judaism is a logical starting place.
If Christians belief they are free to disrespect their parents, to lie and cheat, because Christ brought a new Covenant, they are fully deserving of the repercussions of the law of the land they choose to break.
No, I don't think you're bad; I just think you're being silly.I suppose you think I am bad because I don't back down just because some people choose to call my beliefs "replacement theology"? Fine. I'm bad. You're good.
Re: #1. No, it isn't.
- The term "replacement theology" is just a way to silence the truth.
- But it's not going to work.
- The people who say "replacement theology" are those who
- 1. misunderstand the scriptures and
- 2. want to please other people.
Excuse me? You've missed the boat there somewhere.Well, you can't please both people and God. You have to choose one or the other.
Got news for ya, kiddo. It really is possible to love your neighbor and speak the truth to them in love and not believe in replacement theology.If you really love your neighbor then you speak the truth to them in love and not try to please them with falsehood.
The idea that Christianity supersedes Judaism is found most clearly in Paul's letters and the gospel of John and Acts. It's not noticeable in the synoptics (Mark, Matthew, Luke) and indeed in Matthew 5 it's flatly contradicted:What is Supersessionism? According to wikipedia;
Supersessionism, also called replacement theology, is a Christian doctrine which asserts that the New Covenant through Jesus Christ supersedes the Old Covenant, which was made exclusively with the Jewish people.
In Christianity, supersessionism is a theological view on the current status of the church in relation to the Jewish people and Judaism. It holds that the Christian Church has succeeded the Israelites as the definitive people of God or that the New Covenant has replaced or superseded the Mosaic covenant. From a supersessionist's "point of view, just by continuing to exist [outside the Church], the Jews dissent". This view directly contrasts with dual-covenant theology which holds that the Mosaic covenant remains valid for Jews.
Supersessionism has formed a core tenet of the Christian Churches for the majority of their existence. Christian traditions that have traditionally championed dual-covenant theology (including the Roman Catholic, Reformed and Methodist teachings of this doctrine), have taught that the moral law continues to stand.
Supersessionism - Wikipedia
I see problems with supersessionism. I'm trying to better understand the concept not just in regards Christianity but Islam and the Baha'i Faith too. It would be interesting to hear to what extent the Founders of these religions taught supersessionism. However, a consideration of Christianity in relation to Judaism is a logical starting place.
Did you coin the term "replacement theology"? Who coined that term and why?Re: #1. No, it isn't.
Re: #2. Calling "replacement theology" replacement theology is not going to silence the truth because that's not the reason for calling "replacement theology" replacement theology.
Re: #3. There may be people who misunderstand scriptures and/or want to please other people who say "replacement theology"; but your belief that all people who say "replacement theology" misunderstand scriptures and want to please other people is false.
Since you don't argue against the substance of my posts; but rather use labels and you get personal. That suggests to me that you do want to silence me; rather than actually refuting me.Excuse me? You've missed the boat there somewhere.
In fact, it is possible to please God and to please some people some of the time. The way you say it makes me think that you believe you please God by annoying the bejeezus out of people. The fact that you believe things that are commonly features of replacement theology suggests to me that you enjoy saying them because they annoy people, so therefore you must be pleasing God.
You have to disprove my beliefs; to change my mind. You haven't done that.Got news for ya, kiddo. It really is possible to love your neighbor and speak the truth to them in love and not believe in replacement theology.
It ain't and that's why I'm putting you on my "Ignore" list.So I don't think this discussion is going anywhere useful.