This is sickening

[YoursTrue]

It's mindless blanket procedure. Like programming a robot without having discretion and ignoring the human element of discernment.

A great example here of what the police have become and are now...

Police bodyslams an 87 year old woman with alzheimer's. .....


https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x465402

Just following proper police procedures. No empathy or thinking required.

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It's why I think police departments purposly hire psychopathic individuals. They have no empathy nor care about emotion.

I think the reason is that in order to fight a psychopath, it will take a psychopath.

It was said in the video that she had a knife in her hand. I guess for some people it would be better if she slashed a policeperson or two, or a few others?

 

[Twilight Hue]

It was said in the video that she had a knife in her hand. I guess for some people it would be better if she slashed a policeperson or two, or a few others?

I'm sure that an 82 year old woman walking on a cane afflicted with alzheimer's and carrying a knife she used to cut her seat belt and calling for her daughter poses any real serious threat to the officer.

On the other hand she probably was a black belt and well trained in knife combat techniques.

I can see the police training video for dealing with elderly defenseless women. .

In fact, here's a copy of the official video of the dangers involved when a frail old woman decimated an entire motorcycle gang.. not for the faint of heart.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's mindless blanket procedure. Like programming a robot without having discretion and ignoring the human element of discernment.

A great example here of what the police have become and are now...

Police bodyslams an 87 year old woman with alzheimer's. .....


https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x465402

Just following proper police procedures. No empathy or thinking required.

Youtube has intentionally removed the share button so it must be watched from the site itself.




It's why I think police departments purposly hire psychopathic individuals. They have no empathy nor care about emotion.

I think the reason is that in order to fight a psychopath, it will take a psychopath.

I went to the police station about a week since my experience (39) and told the lady what the woman police officer did. She sad that the police are used to "handling" aggressive people so that's what they were used to.

I've never liked law enforcement not for the principle but just the the execution.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm sure that an 82 year old woman walking on a cane afflicted with alzheimer's and carrying a knife she used to cut her seat belt and calling for her daughter poses any real serious threat to the officer.

On the other hand she probably was a black belt and well trained in knife combat techniques.

I can see the police training video for dealing with elderly defenseless women. .

In fact, here's a copy of the official video of the dangers involved when a frail old woman decimated an entire motorcycle gang.. not for the faint of heart.

I couldn't find the part where she was said to have a knife and it's a bit wild there, but someone said that she was carrying a knife. I wasn't there, so -- it's a sad thing all in all.

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm sure that an 82 year old woman walking on a cane afflicted with alzheimer's and carrying a knife she used to cut her seat belt and calling for her daughter poses any real serious threat to the officer.

On the other hand she probably was a black belt and well trained in knife combat techniques.

I can see the police training video for dealing with elderly defenseless women. .

In fact, here's a copy of the official video of the dangers involved when a frail old woman decimated an entire motorcycle gang.. not for the faint of heart.

She used a knife to cut her seatbelt? It's a sad story nonetheless.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I went to the police station about a week since my experience (39) and told the lady what the woman police officer did. She sad that the police are used to "handling" aggressive people so that's what they were used to.

I've never liked law enforcement not for the principle but just the the execution.

I have two police officers that I know personally. My uncle and my best friend's father were both deputy sheriffs.

I certainly don't view all police in that light because there are a fair number out there who are good honest and charitable people.

It's just there is a notable trend however that more aggressive and violent officers seem to be on the rise more than ever and that is disturbing.

 

[Valjean]

I'm sure a lot of criminals are in prison for breaking principals

Ideally laws are based on principles. A violation of one would equate to a violation of the other.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I couldn't find the part where she was said to have a knife and it's a bit wild there, but someone said that she was carrying a knife. I wasn't there, so -- it's a sad thing all in all.

The news account is she found a knife in the car and used it to get out of her seat belt to go look for her daughter who was away from the car.

She was just carrying it and clearly was posing no threat to the approaching officer. She could, upon noting her advanced age and handicap, have just walked up to her and gently take the knife away directly saying, "I don't want you to hurt yourself. Let's see if we can find your daughter".

Instead she just mindlessly without any thought or analysis of the situation, body slammed the 87 year old cracking her head open on the hard pavement. Probably in accordance with police training videos on people who don't comply to an order to drop a melee weapon. No thinking required. Just do.

It's incredible the brain dead actions officers take now because it's what their training dictates. Where's officer discretion? This woman should have never been wearing a badge in light of this action.

 

[Kooky]

I'm sure that an 82 year old woman walking on a cane afflicted with alzheimer's and carrying a knife she used to cut her seat belt and calling for her daughter poses any real serious threat to the officer.

On the other hand she probably was a black belt and well trained in knife combat techniques.

I can see the police training video for dealing with elderly defenseless women. .

In fact, here's a copy of the official video of the dangers involved when a frail old woman decimated an entire motorcycle gang.. not for the faint of heart.

You jest, but at this point it's an open secret that police officers in the US tend to be trained to acquire the ingrained belief that every single interaction with the citizenry they ostensibly are to protect, is to be treated as a potential life-or-death situation for the police officer at the job, indoctrinating cops to see lethal danger in seemingly innocuous situations at all times. If we then take the already fairly strong tendency among American cops to attempt to control a situation rather than de-escalate it and combine it with these internalized beliefs, it starts to make sense why cops often react with irrational - and at times, frankly absurd - amounts of violence to seemingly non-threatening incidents.

 

[YoursTrue]

I have two police officers that I know personally. My uncle and my best friend's father were both deputy sheriffs.

I certainly don't view all police in that light because there are a fair number out there who are good honest and charitable people.

It's just there is a notable trend however that more aggressive and violent officers seem to be on the rise more than ever and that is disturbing.

I'm going to say that taking a look at these people bashing police in the head at the capital, it isn't so good, is it?

 

[YoursTrue]

The news account is she found a knife in the car and used it to get out of her seat belt to go look for her daughter who was away from the car.

She was just carrying it and clearly was posing no threat to the approaching officer. She could, upon noting her advanced age and handicap, have just walked up to her and gently take the knife away directly saying, "I don't want you to hurt yourself. Let's see if we can find your daughter".

Instead she just mindlessly without any thought or analysis of the situation, body slammed the 87 year old cracking her head open on the hard pavement. Probably in accordance with police training videos on people who don't comply to an order to drop a melee weapon. No thinking required. Just do.

It's incredible the brain dead actions officers take now because it's what their training dictates. Where's officer discretion? This woman should have never been wearing a badge in light of this action.

Maybe I didn't get the whole thing. Was this 87 year old woman w Alzheimer's and a knife out without an escort? Did she have a relative or aide with her?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Authority has to be questioned.
It derives its powers from the consent of the governed. It exists to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. Whenever it becomes destructive of these ends, it's our duty to alter or abolish it.

Submission to authority has had grave consequences, historically.

Questioned, yes. (And the proper channel to deal w/ executive abuses, is the judicial.)

Outright violence against authority, isn’t the way. Simply foolhardy.

From what I was told, they only wanted to help her deal with her suicidal tendencies, per @Ray Warren .

Sounds like submission would’ve been the proper course, in this instance.

I’d like to know what her Dad had to say?

@Ray Warren , any further updates?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Authority has to be questioned.

Yes, you can - but only after the orders given are obeyed. Then you are in the right. If you do not obey the orders in a democratic setup, then you are in fault. That will result in anarchy. Let all in a democratic society act according to the law.

Also, nobody should throw a scripture at me. I am an atheist and I do not consider any law of society as given by God. God is not an authority for me, civil law is.

I respect principle. Principle trumps law.
If laws that are reasonable, utilitarian and moral, fine, I reject those that are not.

A law is a law. Reject law and face the consequences. Who has established the law in a democratic society? Representatives of the people. Want your own type of law? Get the required majority in Upper and Lower houses of your parliament (whatever they are called in different countries). Till it is not amended, it is the law and should be followed. In a democratic setup only the majority decides if a law is reasonable, utilitarian and moral or not, and not any one person.

That is the Principle, and you should respect it. I am not defending any wrong action by police either in US, or in India, or in Myanmar. If an officer of law misbehaves, I would be doubly strict with him (well, I am only mentioning my views. I do not always kill a house-fly that troubles me. I try to make it leave by opening a window.

 

[YoursTrue]

The news account is she found a knife in the car and used it to get out of her seat belt to go look for her daughter who was away from the car.

She was just carrying it and clearly was posing no threat to the approaching officer. She could, upon noting her advanced age and handicap, have just walked up to her and gently take the knife away directly saying, "I don't want you to hurt yourself. Let's see if we can find your daughter".

Instead she just mindlessly without any thought or analysis of the situation, body slammed the 87 year old cracking her head open on the hard pavement. Probably in accordance with police training videos on people who don't comply to an order to drop a melee weapon. No thinking required. Just do.

It's incredible the brain dead actions officers take now because it's what their training dictates. Where's officer discretion? This woman should have never been wearing a badge in light of this action.

Taken the knife this woman was carrying? She used the knife to get out of her seatbelt? (Wow...) She had the acumen to get a knife, because she was looking for her daughter? How long the daughter left her alone? Again -- I wonder about the whole thing. To leave someone with alzheimer's with a knife strapped in by herself? I'm sure it's not the only time things like that with Alzheimer's patients have happened. But she knew how to cut open the seat belt. Oh well, there goes the seat belt. Another expense. Not to be blamed on the police. Oh, and it probably was a rather sharp knife.

 

[Valjean]

Yes, you can - but only after the orders given are obeyed. Then you are in the right. If you do not obey the orders in a democratic setup, then you are in fault. That will result in anarchy. Let all in a democratic society act according to the law.

It was illegal to harbor the Frank family in an Amsterdam attic. It was illegal for an American slave to 'steal himself'. It was illegal for Indians to make their own salt.
"...one has a moral duty to disobey unjust laws." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

A law is a law. Reject law and face the consequences. Who has established the law in a democratic society? Representatives of the people. Want your own type of law? Get the required majority in Upper and Lower houses of your parliament (whatever they are called in different countries). Till it is not amended, it is the law and should be followed. In a democratic setup only the majority decides if a law is reasonable, utilitarian and moral or not, and not any one person.

Human history is one long saga of war, slavery, exploitation and injustice. The type of government seems to make little difference. As long as people follow legal orders from leaders, this will continue.
Not all societies are democratic. Mine isn't.
Just because you're part of a group; a society, doesn't give that group the right to order you to do something immoral. Nor will "just obeying orders absolve you of your individual responsibility for an action.

When does a group acquire this right to issue legal orders; when it acquires sufficient coercive power to compel a people to submit to them?

Did England's American colonies have the right to declare war on Britain? Did the Confederate states have a right to declare war on the US? Did the US have a right to declare war on Spain, Vietnam or Iraq? Does the Hells Angels have a right to declare war on the Bandidos, or the Crips on the Bloods?

That is the Principle, and you should respect it. I am not defending any wrong action by police either in US, or in India, or in Myanmar. If an officer of law misbehaves, I would be doubly strict with him (well, I am only mentioning my views. I do not always kill a house-fly that troubles me. I try to make it leave by opening a window.

What if an officer, soldier or gang member is given a legal order to misbehave?

 

[Aupmanyav]

I do not know the case in detail. That the police peppered a young child is enough to prove that they went beyond the law. If they had this Frank person under control, then one of the policemen could have talked to the girl and tried to make her understand. I suppose, as law officers they should have done that. Now I will read about the case.

 

[Valjean]

I do not know the case in detail. That the police peppered a young child is enough to prove that they went beyond the law. If they had this Frank person under control, then one of the policemen could have talked to the girl and tried to make her understand. I suppose, as law officers they should have done that. Now I will read about the case.

You really missed the Frank reference? Do you know what it was for a slave to "steal himself?"
I assume you got my reference to Gandhi's illegal salt march.
Anne Frank | Biography, Age, Death, & Facts

The The Nazis legally rounded up millions of innocent men women and children and shipped them off to be worked to death as slave labor or simply marched directly into gas chambers or ravines in the forest, or barns to to be gassed, shot or burned alive -- again, all perfectly legally, by your reckoning.

To harbor a Jew was illegal, so their friends neighbors had no choice but to turn them all in, or be executed themselves.
Were the Germans, who were conducting this extermination, and the civilians helping them, acting properly and correctly? They were, after all, following legal orders.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, I was talking of democratic regimes and not demonic regimes, and did not connect Frank to Anne Frank. Of course, the stories of Nazi Germany are well-known. Sorry that they appropriated and defamed our well-meaning Swastika and turned it black. When law, 'dharma', is not followed, one gets Mahabharata and Nazis. That is why following law, 'dharma' is essential.

 

[YoursTrue]

You really missed the Frank reference? Do you know what it was for a slave to "steal himself?"
I assume you got my reference to Gandhi's illegal salt march.
Anne Frank | Biography, Age, Death, & Facts

The The Nazis legally rounded up millions of innocent men women and children and shipped them off to be worked to death as slave labor or simply marched directly into gas chambers or ravines in the forest, or barns to to be gassed, shot or burned alive -- again, all perfectly legally, by your reckoning.

To harbor a Jew was illegal, so their friends neighbors had no choice but to turn them all in, or be executed themselves.
Were the Germans, who were conducting this extermination, and the civilians helping them, acting properly and correctly? They were, after all, following legal orders.

Some people risk their lives to save others.

 

[VoidCat]

Questioned, yes. (And the proper channel to deal w/ executive abuses, is the judicial.)

Outright violence against authority, isn’t the way. Simply foolhardy.

From what I was told, they only wanted to help her deal with her suicidal tendencies, per @Ray Warren .

Sounds like submission would’ve been the proper course, in this instance.

I’d like to know what her Dad had to say?

@Ray Warren , any further updates?

sorry for the late reply I wasnt online. Even if they wanted to help her they shouldnt have peppered sprayed her. She is a child her emotional abilities arent that of an adult's you cant expect her to behave like one.I dont know what her dad had to say