ChieftheCef
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I will say that as a possibility could happen but I do not believe it will happenHumans will never leave. Mwahahaaa.![]()
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I will say that as a possibility could happen but I do not believe it will happenHumans will never leave. Mwahahaaa.![]()
It is a strong possibility, humanity has reached a pivotal time, make or break.I will say that as a possibility could happen but I do not believe it will happen
There have been plenty of times that has been. Ecological disaster weens out the weak and thus allows more strong relationships to the environment become, thus enhappying the world more.It is a strong possibility, humanity has reached a pivotal time, make or break.
Just a polite correction, please, Jesus Christ is not God, never was, and never will be - only the father is God. But I understand that mainstream Christianity professes the trinity, so i can appreciate your error. Thus, the Atonement that you described does not comport with the wisdom of God, although you are extremely correct in stating how utterly absurd that it is according to trinitarian theology.I am not trying to be terribly rude here, but consider your statement from the point of view of the atheist (or perhaps the Jew, the Muslim, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, etc..)...
One of the things we understand absolutely least about your Christian God is the notion that this non-human being, having created humans only to become dismayed with how they turned out, had himself turned into a human so he could be sacrificied to himself to appease himself. To so many of us, this just doesn't speak to "wisdom, holiness, justice or mercy." Wrath, maybe, but wrath with little purpose. And to us, we recognize this truth -- the "wrath" that would commit a human being, with all his limitations, to an eternity of torture is very misplaced. It is that person, much more than the "deserving" that really need "mercy," which is otherwise misspent.
unbelievable, you accuse me of not offering an explanation, as you post my explanation directly below your first statement. How did you manage that (rhetorical - I already know)Yet you offer no rebuttal - just dismissal with the wave of a hand.
Ahhh dude, you left out the best part, about the flags."Atheists are perverse and corrupt: they show no gratitude or humility towards their maker, consider themselves to be righteous ...in the most hypocritical and oblivious manner, are judgmental, blind as bats, and refuse to believe in God because the prefer to live corrupt lives with no accountability."
"Judging by your last few posts, I'm actually perceiving something much more perversely innate, than your utter oblivion and profound misconception of the Christian faith."
"Homosexuality is a vile and perverse lifestyle, and all those who practice it, and equally those who either condone or endorse it, have nothing more than a depraved and corrupt mentality."
How do you atheists manage to remain so oblivious to the harm of sin???? Or is it your own perverse mind that perceives iniquity as righteousness?Your intolerant religion would have governments harm such people. Go ahead and hire a gay prostitute and smoke pot if you like. There is no harm there. The harm is the religion that teaches you that such things should lead to punishment to appease an imagined, bigoted god. More fruit from the rotten tree.
Nothing worse than one who accuses someone of being wicked for denouncing wickedness - the tactics of the devil - how deceitful and corrupt.What would a religionless world like? For one thing, you would be a kinder and more tolerant person.
Uh, huh. Yet, as you say, mainstream Christianity (79% of all Christians on earth) disagree with you, which of course makes them wrong, not you.Just a polite correction, please, Jesus Christ is not God, never was, and never will be - only the father is God. But I understand that mainstream Christianity professes the trinity, so i can appreciate your error. Thus, the Atonement that you described does not comport with the wisdom of God, although you are extremely correct in stating how utterly absurd that it is according to trinitarian theology.
Most of the recounting of history in the Bible is meant to have man appreciate his willful propensity to defiance and contempt for his Maker, of which I am extremely guilty of myself. God's condemnation of man is thoroughly justified, so that what becomes outstanding when one reads Scripture is His mercy and grace.
As far as hell is concerned, clearly one does not torture one with corporeal punishment for crimes of the heart - all sin stems from wicked motives, not evil hands or feet. Therefore, it is the sinner himself who's conscience is burning in hell for being rejected from something that was so graciously offered, that is inflicting his pain. God is not a sadist - men chose to defy Him, but now cannot handle the consequence of being ostracized from His Kingdom.
They are punishing themselves.
I sin all the time, in the most vile and perverse ways. I feel that I am wretched and that I am in dire need of a saviour, one who loves his neighbour as himself, and loves God with all his heart, mind, and soul.What an absolutely vile and -- let me say it without regret -- unChristian thing to say. I want to say so much more, but my anger makes me aware that I would have to say things the forum does not allow.
And let me also point out that you have made a bald, flat statement about a very large group of human beings, probably, all added up, about a billion of them -- and those who "condone or endorse" (their families and friends) numbering billions more. You did not say "in my opinion." You said, in as factual a style as you were able, that those billion people are "vile, perverse, depraved and corrupt."
What I think about you, I will keep to myself. Your statements, however, are vile and totally unChristian.
(You might consider what Pope Francis himself said, "who am I to judge?")
Well, there's a difference between you and I. When I recognize I've done wrong, first I try to make amends, then I try to never do that again. Seems to me that works better for all, down here in the only world I inhabit.I sin all the time, in the most vile and perverse ways. I feel that I am wretched and that I am in dire need of a saviour, one who loves his neighbour as himself, and loves God with all his heart, mind, and soul.
The difference between you and I, and the billions of others that you mentioned, is that first, I recognize something evil when I see it, and two, i admit that I'm guilty of it.
I'm trying to help you, for crying out loud.Your bias means nothing. Your so called moral capacity is an abstract concept, as subjective as your point of view. You can deem what you like, I do not care what you think. Your opinions are just whiny and bitter. Your recent replies have been most petulant.
Who cares what you assert? Do you have proof?
Many are called, but only a few are chosen.Uh, huh. Yet, as you say, mainstream Christianity (79% of all Christians on earth) disagree with you, which of course makes them wrong, not you.
Some of us, it might surprise you to learn, think it's all of you.
And there's the caveat: when you recognize your sin - how well is your perception of unrighteousness - utterly distorted, as far as I am concerned.Well, there's a difference between you and I. When I recognize I've done wrong, first I try to make amends, then I try to never do that again. Seems to me that works better for all, down here in the only world I inhabit.
Are you really? Or are you trying to proselytize?I'm trying to help you, for crying out loud.
And you think that says something special and wonderful about your God? I do not. As I said, mercy is wasted on those that do not need it.Many are called, but only a few are chosen.
And that is why I so detest your position. The whole business of "righteousness" (or un-) is something most especially used by religious bigots to separate and demean everyone who doesn't happen to have been indoctrinated into their particular brand of absolute truth.And there's the caveat: when you recognize your sin - how well is your perception of unrighteousness - utterly distorted, as far as I am concerned.
When are you going to respond to my post #770?And there's the caveat: when you recognize your sin - how well is your perception of unrighteousness - utterly distorted, as far as I am concerned.
You do you.I sin all the time, in the most vile and perverse ways. I feel that I am wretched and that I am in dire need of a saviour, one who loves his neighbour as himself, and loves God with all his heart, mind, and soul.
Help me? How? I am beyond saving baby.I'm trying to help you, for crying out loud.
I will cope. I don't fancy the idea of a perpetual existence in a kingdom full of self loathing puritans. I'd rather be in hell dancing with the devil. Butt naked.God is not a sadist - men chose to defy Him, but now cannot handle the consequence of being ostracized from His Kingdom.
They are punishing themselves.
What do you think you should be saved from? I can't think of anything for myself.Help me? How? I am beyond saving baby.![]()
I am not sure. I guess he means anything fun.What do you think you should be saved from? I can't think of anything for myself.
No, I think we both know what he means -- he wants to be saved from 1) dying and 2) being judged for who he really is. I suspect that both are terrifying for him, but the second much more so than the first.I am not sure. I guess he means anything fun.