Desert Snake
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You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
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When you find watches breeding and having baby watches come back and start a thread. Until then this idea is thoroughly debunked.You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
You assume the watch must be designed. However, you walk a little further inland and, in the middle of a forest, you find a tree from which hundreds of watches appear to be sprouting like flowers. Now what do you think?You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
I think you need a better argument.You assume the watch must be designed. However, you walk a little further inland and, in the middle of a forest, you find a tree from which hundreds of watches appear to be sprouting like flowers. Now what do you think?
You assume the watch must be designed. However, you walk a little further inland and, in the middle of a forest, you find a tree from which hundreds of watches appear to be sprouting like flowers. Now what do you think?
I can only assume you were interrupted or distracted when you posted this because it seems incomplete. You’ve not actually presented anything to discuss or debate. We could guess that you’d intended to discuss the Watchmaker Analogy but give that’s been argued back and forth for many years by better people than any of us to no definitive conclusion, unless you’ve somehow come up with a new aspect to it, which seems unlikely, I really don’t see the point. What would it achieve?You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
It's a simple question. If you saw watches growing on a tree, would you assume they were designed or arose naturally?I think you need a better argument.
If I saw watches growing on a tree I'd be on some powerful chemical, lol.It's a simple question. If you saw watches growing on a tree, would you assume they were designed or arose naturally?
This might help. The people that make watches...You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
If I saw watches growing on a tree I'd be on some powerful chemical, lol.
Another point is we already know who makes watches beforehand. The source is empirically established.The Watchmaker is a flawed proposition to show that, like the watch which has a maker, the world too must also have a maker. Watches are artifacts that ARE made by an external agent. They are mechanisms. The world is not made; it is grown and evolved from the inside out. It is conscious and alive, just as you are conscious and alive. You are not separate from the Universe; the Universe is not separate from you. The Universe is not a machine. It is an evolving organic manifestation of Pure Abstract Intellilgence, Unborn, Unmade, Uncaused, playing itself as 'The Universe'.
You really need to understand why the analogy contains a watch in the first place. You choose something we humans have experience with as having been created/crafted. However, your expectation is that God created everything. Even the sand on the beach. So why is the sand any less miraculous to find than the watch?You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
... and you notice it stands out from the background of the undesigned beach.You find a watch on a deserted beach. You pick it up, and notice all the intricate parts. That's an interesting watch...
Stands out from the beach, yes. I believe the beach is designed, yes, can you guess why?... and you notice it stands out from the background of the undesigned beach.
You do agree the beach wasn't designed, right?
Did you not read the premise, or something?The Watchmaker is a flawed proposition to show that, like the watch which has a maker, the world too must also have a maker. Watches are artifacts that ARE made by an external agent. They are mechanisms. The world is not made; it is grown and evolved from the inside out. It is conscious and alive, just as you are conscious and alive. You are not separate from the Universe; the Universe is not separate from you. The Universe is not a machine. It is an evolving organic manifestation of Pure Abstract Intellilgence, Unborn, Unmade, Uncaused, playing itself as 'The Universe'.
Why would the watch stand out as a designed thing on a beach full of designed things?Stands out from the beach, yes. I believe the beach is designed, yes, can you guess why?