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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Desert Snake, Jul 9, 2018.

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  1. Milton Platt

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    you knew the watch was designed because you contrasted it to everything around it, which was not designed. Otherwise, the watch would have no significance to you in that regard. You also have evidence of the existence of watchmakers. You can go to a factory and see a watch being manufactured.
    This argument has been debunked long ago.
     
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  2. SkepticThinker

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    What premise? All I see is an incomplete sentence.
     
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    That an atheist is making an analogy to avoid dealing with the question.
     
  4. Desert Snake

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    Why not?
     
  5. Milton Platt

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    Then why did you find the watch significant?
     
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  6. Desert Snake

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    Why not?
     
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    And....? This doesn't sound as if it's a complete thought. Shouldn't you have then added something like, Do you:

    1. Put an ad in the paper for anyone who lost a watch on the beach.
    2. Turn the watch into local authorities to see if it's claimed.
    3. Pocket the watch and figure finders keepers.
     
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    If the beach is also designed, in what way does the watch stand out from the beach?

    Do you understand that the analogy you're using assumes a contrast between the undesigned sand of an undesigned beach and a designed watch laying on that sand?

    Otherwise, you've just got a watch in a sea of watches and no particular reason to point to one particular watch and say that it's special.

    An a priori assumption, I'm guessing.
     
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  9. Milton Platt

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    Why did you point out the watch instead of the beach, or the trees, or anything else? What is the significance of the watch if it is no different than everything else around it? Why did you notice it?
     
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    Why assume the beach isn't designed? You already assumed the beach isn't designed, and, the watch you found was obviously something made somewhere that you would assume its just lost, or something.
    You put various things into the premise, that are pre-concluded.
     
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    Because all the things are designed. In your point of view.
     
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  12. ChristineM

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    Nah, a rolex seed
     
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  13. Desert Snake

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    Probably same way you notice anything on a deserted beach...
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Why isn't this in the jokes section?
     
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  15. Desert Snake

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    Heheh, wait, all things aren't designed, except the watch, in your point of view...
     
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    It doesn't appear that you understand the analogy you're trying to use.
     
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  17. Milton Platt

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    So the watch has no significance and therefore your argument is invalid??? My point is that I would know that a watch was made by a human being because I already have direct evidence of it. You cannot attempt to say that because humans can make watches, therefore the universe has a creator. What do you contract the supposedly created universe with to know it was created? What does an uncreated universe look like?
     
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  18. Desert Snake

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    The direct evidence is the watch, however all you know or figure, is that it was made.
    Then, you notice similar concept, and assume it isn't made. Where is the logic?
     
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    Oh, forget the watch. Deliberate misunderstanding is always the sign of defeat in a discussion.

    A naked Amazon indian out hunting birds with a blowpipe is suddenly confronted with a Google driverless car. Does he think it's just another animal?
     
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  20. Desert Snake

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    The premise is not the other analogy, it just has the same title and similar objects.
     
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