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The Restitution Of All Things

FineLinen

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Everlasting destruction =

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aionios olethros (Dr. Marvin Vincent professor of sacred literature )=

https://www.hopebeyondhell.net/faq-17-what-does-“everlasting-destruction”-mean-2thes-19/
 

FineLinen

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The will of God prevails!

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The creation was made subject to futility "not willingly", but "by reason of Him who made it so." Fallen man does not determine the situation, the God of grace and glory does!

"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected the same in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."

gar ho ktisis hypotassō mataiotēs ou hekōn alla dia ho hypotassō epi elpis
 

muhammad_isa

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7. Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?

No .. that is why we should listen to what Almighty God teaches us through the prophets, so we don't end up in endless torment.

Can God remove us from the punishment of hellfire?

Yes, He can do all things.
However, He cannot do illogical things.

Example
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God cannot create a stone He cannot lift.

That is because the statement / question is absurd. It is logically impossible. The question itself is contradictory.
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..so back to the question..
Can God remove us from the punishment of hellfire?
Yes, He can .. but not unless we repent of our evil ways.

God knows that satan WILL NEVER repent of his evil ways.
..hence he will be in endless torment.

We certainly should beware of following him,
in case we end up with the same fate. :eek:
 

FineLinen

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No .. that is why we should listen to what Almighty God teaches us through the prophets, so we don't end up in endless torment.

Can God remove us from the punishment of hellfire?

Yes, He can do all things.
However, He cannot do illogical things.

Example
------------
God cannot create a stone He cannot lift.

That is because the statement / question is absurd. It is logically impossible. The question itself is contradictory.
---------------------------------------------------------------

..so back to the question..
Can God remove us from the punishment of hellfire?
Yes, He can .. but not unless we repent of our evil ways.

God knows that satan WILL NEVER repent of his evil ways.
..hence he will be in endless torment.

We certainly should beware of following him,
in case we end up with the same fate. :eek:
 

FineLinen

Well-Known Member
Greetings muhammad: The Lord of glory is not limited in anything He does, now or ever. His will is supreme, and shall surely prevail over all He has made as the Author and Finisher.
 

Lain

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"Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets."

1. What is it?

2. What it is not.

3. What are the Scriptures pointing to this?

4. Who are some of those who have grasped the "Larger Hope"?

1) The restoration of all things is God being All-in-all as He was in the beginning, so that like do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do the beginning and end-state of the world will have God manifest as All-in-all, so that His Word "I am the first and the last" will be certain and made evident in creation. All things began with God and so likewise all things will end with God, for as St. Paul says "from Him and through Him and to Him are all things," with emphasis on "from" (beginning) and "to" (end). God is the end of all things, and in God alone is the reason for all creation found.

2) It is not God not being All-in-all as I just defined above. It is not anything less than that.

3) Some Scriptures which touch on the matter most directly in my opinion:

"Just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own group: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s at his coming, then the end, when he hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when he has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For it is necessary for him to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be abolished is death. For 'he subjected all things under his feet.' But when it says 'all things' are subjected, it is clear that the one who subjected all things to him is not included. But whenever all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will be subjected to the one who subjected all things to him, in order that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15)

"I consider that the sufferings of the present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us. For the eagerly expecting creation awaits eagerly the revelation of the sons of God. For the creation has been subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its servility to decay, into the glorious freedom of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans together and suffers agony together until now. Not only this, but we ourselves also, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves while we await eagerly our adoption, the redemption of our body. For in hope we were saved, but hope that is seen is not hope, for who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we await it eagerly with patient endurance." (Romans 8)

These verses most specifically talk of it in my opinion because it shows that creation will be freed of death, if Christ defeated death utterly and all things are to be subjected to His reign then I expect no death in His Kingdom or else He would not have truly conquered death as the enemy would still have dominion over those in the Kingdom. The second passage continues the theme but it speaks of how the rest of the natural world will be redeemed through redemption of the children of the Kingdom.

4) Those who have embraced the hope and faith that St. Paul had, which was none other than the hope and faith the Lord Jesus Christ delivered to all the saints, are those who have embraced this.

All in my opinion of course.
 

FineLinen

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Greetings Lain: That was an exquisite post.

As the season breaks upon us, one of my favorite songs is ringing in my ears written by the majestic triumph of Father's love and grace, Isaac Watts.

No more let sin and sorrow grow or thorns invest the ground, He comes to make His blessings flow.....

Far as the curse is found.

 
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FineLinen

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Bad news or exceptional news?

"The current Evangelical theology involves in its system belief in the deathlessness of sin, the indestructibility of error, and permanence of evil. That though there was a time in the history of the universe when sin in any shape or form did not exist, when no cry of pain or sense of guilt darkened the all-extensive bliss and holiness of creation, yet since sin has once effected an entrance into such a scene, it has come in never to go out again, indestructible, unconquerable, ineradicable, endless. Absolute happiness and sinlessness have forever vanished like the phantom of a dream. The eternal state is a universe endlessly finding room for myriads of souls rolling and writhing in the burning agonies of ceaseless flame, eternally sinful, vile and morally hideous. It pictures the final perfection yet to be attained as having room for a vast cesspool of immoral and degraded beings, continually existing in opposition to God." ~V. Gelesnoff

Welcome to the glad news of our Father

Greater Emmanuel International Ministries
 

FineLinen

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Today's word is not Hebrew or Greek, it's Inuit!

The word is issumagijoujunnainermik.

When missionaries first shared the gospel with the Inuit tribes in Alaska, they couldn't find any word in the Inuit language for forgiveness. So, they took a number of Inuit words and joined them to form a new word -- Issu-magi-jou-jun-nai-ner-mik -- and it became the Inuit word for forgiveness.

The individual words are "Not-being-able-to-think-about-it-anymore."
 

FineLinen

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The ages of the ages

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The Doctrine of the Ages in the Bible ~Dr. Ernest L. Martin

The Doctrine of the Ages in the Bible

The Doctrine of the Ages in the Bible

The teaching of the Scriptures regarding the eons provides answers to frustrating questions concerning the meaning of human existence. God's purpose in creating man, and God's purpose of the eons are inseparably related. Many are unfamiliar with this important subject because the facts have been concealed by incorrect and misleading translations of the Bible from the original languages into English.

The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God's purpose of the eons

The eons of the Bible With Concordance, God's purpose of the eons.
 
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FineLinen

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There are vast areas of our heavenly Lord that surpasses all we can think. It is in the realm of the koine musterion. The restitution of all things is one of those wonderfully glorious mysteries within the many pages of this link declaring it, but it still remains an inarticulate expression that remains largely hidden from the natural man.

"I always beseech the God of our Lord Jesus Christ--the Father most glorious--to give you a spirit of wisdom and penetration through an intimate knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened so that you may know what is the hope which His call to you inspires...the transcendent greatness of His power as seen in the working of His infinite might...the completeness of Him who everywhere fills the universe with Himself."
 

FineLinen

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"Are we to believe the same God who expends thousands of years in slowly fitting this earth for man's habitation, will only allow to man a few fleeting years, or months, or hours, as it may be, as his sole preparation for eternity?

To settle questions so unspeakably great in their issue- questions stretching away to a horizon so far distant that no power of thought can follow them- in such hot haste, does seem at variance with our heavenly Father's ways.

Is God's action outside man so slow, and within man so hurried? Is the husk of more value than the seed? Are millions of years allotted to fashioning man's earthly home, while for man's spiritual training for eternity, but a few brief years are given, and those so largely broken up by sleep, by work, by disease, by ignorance?

What should we say of allotting ten thousand years to fashioning a man's coat, or building his house, while assigning to his whole education but a few hours? ~Thomas Allin
 

FineLinen

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Our God has determined within Himself to not merely being the beginning of all things, but the ending. The powerful words in koine, ta pante, express it perfectly.

"Source, Guide, Goal".

We are living in a world today with the word "unprecedented" attached to the ghastly scene.

When our God declares "see I am making all things new", that newness is His answer to unprecedented dismay!
 
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FineLinen

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Total transformation =

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"For he knew all about us before we were born and he destined us from the beginning to share the likeness of his Son. This means the Son is the oldest among a vast family of brothers and sisters who will become just like him." ~TPT

hoti hos proginōskō proorizō kai proorizō symmorphos ho eikōn autos yhios prōtotokos polys adelphos

Conformed = symmorphos = Having the same form. Having the same jointly formed being.''

'“Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.” -Phil.3:21

"Who will transform our humble bodies and transfigure us into the identical likeness of his glorified body. Using his matchless power, he continually subdues everything to himself." -TPT
 
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FineLinen

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Relentless love

Welcome to relentless-love.org

What is it?

Quite simply, it's the idea that God is Love and God is Almighty and God conquers all through Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Jesus is that idea. Because we have read the Bible in doubtful fear, sought to control others with threats and listened to the principalities and powers of this present darkness, we have often lacked the courage to believe the victory of God in Christ Jesus. We seek to believe the voice which cries from to throne in Revelation 21:5, Behold I make all things new.

This belief does not mean that there is no second death in the Lake that burns with fire and divinity (Rev. 21:8) or no outer darkness where sons of the kingdom weep and gnash their teeth (Rev. 22:15, Matt. 8:12).

It does not mean that there is no hades, gehenna or Lake of Fire? It does not mean that there is no judgment. It means that Jesus is the judgment. He said it in John 12:31, now is the judgment of this world.

It means that death is not the end; Jesus is the end. It means that the Word of the Creator is stronger than the lies of the desecrator.

It means that Love does win. And it means that most of us probably need a new theological paradigm.
 
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FineLinen

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The Inescapable Love Of God

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Thomas Talbott: The Inescapable Love of God – Mercy Upon All

The real mystery is why so many have failed to appreciate the universalism of the New Testament and why so many have tried to explain it away. Paul, for example, speaks eloquently of the triumph of God’s sovereign love; again and again, we find in his letters explicit statements to the effect that God will eventually bring all things into subjection to Christ and reconcile all things in Christ and bring life to all persons through Christ. As we shall see, these statements are neither obscure nor incidental; indeed, the lengths to which some have gone to explain them away is itself a testimony to their clarity and power. -Thomas Talbott

Legacy of fear

http://www.thomastalbott.com/pdf/chapter3.pdf

St. Paul's Universalism

http://www.thomastalbott.com/pdf/chapter5.pdf

Human Destiny

http://www.thomastalbott.com/pdf/Chapter11.pdf
 

FineLinen

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His blueprint
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Father's intention plan & purpose

"This is how we fit into God's picture: Christ is the measure of our portion, we are in Him. God's blueprint intention is on exhibition in us. Everything He accomplishes is inspired by the energy and intent of His affection." ~The Mirror Bible

Romans 8:29 =

"He engineered us from the start to fit the mold of sonship and likeness according to the exact blueprint of His design. We are the original and intended shape of our lives preserved in His Son; He is firstborn from the womb that reveals our genesis. He confirms we are the invention of God." ~The Mirror Bible
 
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