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[Stevicus]

Small-Town France Is in Revolt Against Emmanuel Macron’s Pension Reform

Emmanuel Macron’s plan to raise the pension age has stirred mass opposition. The labor minister pushing the bill is an ex-Socialist — and the huge protests in his hometown show how the neoliberalized center left has sold out working-class France.

jacobin.com

An ex-socialist? Once you cross over to the dark side, forever will it dominate your destiny.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Small-Town France Is in Revolt Against Emmanuel Macron’s Pension Reform

Emmanuel Macron’s plan to raise the pension age has stirred mass opposition. The labor minister pushing the bill is an ex-Socialist — and the huge protests in his hometown show how the neoliberalized center left has sold out working-class France.

jacobin.com

Wait, they get pensions in France?

 

[Stevicus]

Wait, they get pensions in France?

It would seem so, except they're raising the retirement age. I guess they expect them to eat cakes. It's 1789 all over again.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It would seem so, except they're raising the retirement age. I guess they expect them to eat cakes. It's 1789 all over again.

What? They get to retire too?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It would seem so, except they're raising the retirement age. I guess they expect them to eat cakes. It's 1789 all over again.

And cake? Maybe @ChristineM has been right all along.

 

[Revoltingest]

It would seem so, except they're raising the retirement age. I guess they expect them to eat cakes. It's 1789 all over again.

Raising the age of pension eligibility from 62 to 64 ???
How cruel...it's exactly like 1789 !!!!!

 

[Estro Felino]

Raising the age of pension eligibility from 62 to 64 ???
How cruel...it's exactly like 1789 !!!!!

If I were in charge, I would send anyone who is over 55 to retirement.
The ECB will pay for their pensions, of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

If I were in charge, I would send anyone who is over 55 to retirement.
The ECB will pay for their pensions, of course.

Also cruel !!!
Why not let'm retire at 30?
If people can only legally work between
21 & 30, then there'll be plenty'o jobs.

 

[Estro Felino]

Also cruel !!!
Why not let'm retire at 30?
If people can only legally work between
21 & 30, then there'll be plenty'o jobs.

That's the point of early retirement.
The banks will pay for the pensions, of course.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's the point of early retirement.
The banks will pay for the pensions, of course.

Signed: The wicked Socialist

Where do banks get he money to pay everyone's pensions?

 

[Estro Felino]

Where do banks get he money to pay everyone's pensions?

The national banks?
They pick the printer and print it with their adorable holy hands.

 

[Revoltingest]

The national banks?
They pick the printer and print it with their adorable holy hands.

So you're not only an expert on Putin & Soros,
but also banking & monetary policy, eh.
But there are serious problems with simply
printing money as desired, eg, hyper-inflation.

 

[Estro Felino]

So you're not only an expert on Putin & Soros,
but also banking & monetary policy, eh.
But there are serious problems with simply
printing money as desired, eg, hyper-inflation.

So tell me where the money the banks print goes to.

 

[Revoltingest]

So enlighten me where the money the banks print goes to.

Wait, wait...I know.
They give it away to commercial banks so they can use it to exercise legalized usury.
Legalized usury that will make them billionaires. Billions these holy immaculate gentlemen will spend in casinos and brothels.

Have I guessed right?

It's beyond my abilities to teach a broad
course in monetary policies & economics.
Just look at the history of countries abusing
fiat currency, eg, Zimbabwe.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's beyond my abilities to teach a broad
course in monetary policies & economics.
Just look at the history of countries abusing
fiat currency, eg, Zimbabwe.

With all due respect, with all the utmost respect, but you have a degree in Engineering.
I have a law degree, I passed two exams of Political Economics, at the second year.

If I say that printing money doesn't cause inflation, trust me. High GDP countries can print euros and dollars.

 

[Revoltingest]

With all due respect, with all the utmost respect, but you have a degree in Engineering.
I have a law degree, I passed two exams of Political Economics, at the second year.

If I say that printing money doesn't cause inflation, trust me. High GDP countries can print euros and dollars.

Your education is indeed something special.

 

[Estro Felino]

'Before our eyes, Italy is becoming a fascist state'

The government is pursuing policies that are not simply neo-fascistic and cruel, though they are certainly that, but crazy with it

www.independent.co.uk

Only fascist? I thought he meant racist too... lol

 

[Estro Felino]

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Donald Trump si prepara a nazionalizzare la Federal Reserve levandola dal controllo dei "Rothschild"

"Sa Defenza "

sadefenza.blogspot.com

 

[Stevicus]

'Before our eyes, Italy is becoming a fascist state'

The government is pursuing policies that are not simply neo-fascistic and cruel, though they are certainly that, but crazy with it

www.independent.co.uk

Only fascist? I thought he meant racist too... lol

A few parts from that article:

We often think that fascism is a grainy, black-and-white newsreel affair, with ranting leaders in ridiculous uniforms strutting around a far off time. Today’s fascists are rather different, with their open-necked shirts and social media profiles. Yet the philosophy is identical. There is the same contempt for democracy, nowadays labelled “the Establishment”.

I don't agree with this point. Those who are pro-establishment have been against democracy, against civil rights, pro-war, pro-military. The establishment is fascist. The establishment is right wing. The establishment is corporate America - big banking, big pharma, big tech, organized crime, etc. The establishment is bourgeois, while the common people are the proletariat.

Traditional politicians are vilified as corrupt, self-seeking failures, just as they were in the 1920s and 1930s. “Foreigners”, at home and abroad, are blamed for complex economic problems. Protectionism is grasped at as a quick fix; free trade is misunderstood and despised. International organisations, such as the UN and EU, are attacked for their “interference” in domestic affairs.

The interesting thing about this statement and the line of thinking behind it is that, similar to the 1920s and 1930s, some capitalists and other right-wingers are/were ostensibly working overtime to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Free trade is not "misunderstood and despised." Working people understand it quite well; they knew what the working classes had in the past, and they want equal consideration today. If "the establishment" really wanted the public's long-term support for this agenda, then it would have been relatively simple to achieve through carefully-managed wage and price controls.

However, because of their wanton greed and casual indifference towards the lower classes, now they have a problem on their hands. But rather than looking at the problem rationally and asking, "where did we go wrong," instead they decide that it must be due to "evil spirits" or something.

It's almost comical the way some people fall all over each other to avoid mentioning what is so obvious. They'll blame Fox News, the Russians, the Chinese, the North Koreans (while chiding others for being "xenophobic"). They'll blame some rural folk in Appalachia who don't have two dimes to rub together for all of our country's problems, while completely ignoring the wealthy classes and the activities of Wall Street.

In Poland, in Hungary, in the Czech Republic, fascists run whole countries. In places such as Austria and Denmark they either share power or are close to it. In France the National Front is re-inventing itself, Macron almost a last hope for French democracy. In Germany we know what has happened; the rise of the AfD has pushed the two main parties into an uncomfortable permanent grand alliance, squeezing the life out of the social democrats, and leaving the neo-Nazis as the unofficial opposition. The same appears to be happening in Sweden.

If Macron is the last hope for French democracy, then why is his government going out of its way to intentionally anger the people?

Why don't they lower the retirement age, raise pensions, raise wages, and lower prices? Why don't all governments do that to promote political stability? In addition, they should make sure there are no more supply chain problems or shortages of goods and services. The people expect their government and politicians to be properly managing the economy and planning for the future, but if they choose to kowtow to the wealthy corporations and organized crime, then they're the primary cause of any dissension or political instability. They can't very well blame it on evil spirits.

 

[Estro Felino]

A few parts from that article:



I don't agree with this point. Those who are pro-establishment have been against democracy, against civil rights, pro-war, pro-military. The establishment is fascist. The establishment is right wing. The establishment is corporate America - big banking, big pharma, big tech, organized crime, etc. The establishment is bourgeois, while the common people are the proletariat.



The interesting thing about this statement and the line of thinking behind it is that, similar to the 1920s and 1930s, some capitalists and other right-wingers are/were ostensibly working overtime to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Free trade is not "misunderstood and despised." Working people understand it quite well; they knew what the working classes had in the past, and they want equal consideration today. If "the establishment" really wanted the public's long-term support for this agenda, then it would have been relatively simple to achieve through carefully-managed wage and price controls.

However, because of their wanton greed and casual indifference towards the lower classes, now they have a problem on their hands. But rather than looking at the problem rationally and asking, "where did we go wrong," instead they decide that it must be due to "evil spirits" or something.

It's almost comical the way some people fall all over each other to avoid mentioning what is so obvious. They'll blame Fox News, the Russians, the Chinese, the North Koreans (while chiding others for being "xenophobic"). They'll blame some rural folk in Appalachia who don't have two dimes to rub together for all of our country's problems, while completely ignoring the wealthy classes and the activities of Wall Street.



If Macron is the last hope for French democracy, then why is his government going out of its way to intentionally anger the people?

Why don't they lower the retirement age, raise pensions, raise wages, and lower prices? Why don't all governments do that to promote political stability? In addition, they should make sure there are no more supply chain problems or shortages of goods and services. The people expect their government and politicians to be properly managing the economy and planning for the future, but if they choose to kowtow to the wealthy corporations and organized crime, then they're the primary cause of any dissension or political instability. They can't very well blame it on evil spirits.

I miss the Winner frubal so much...lol...


By the way... I absolutely agree. It deals with a lounge-loving and carefree Left whose only preoccupation is to call others "fascists" or Nazis.
It is not a Left that deals with improving workers' life, they are very elitist people. They don't understand that truck drivers, farmers, factory workers make a country function.
They chose to be politicians just because they worship money. They are not aware of what they are supposed to do.
They are at a very low degree of awareness.