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I think, the best way to know intention of the Quran, is to see what Quran itself is saying about itself.What are your thoughts regarding the Qur'an's intentions and its effects globally?
I think, the best way to know intention of the Quran, is to see what Quran itself is saying about itself.
I am not saying simply accept the claim it makes. I am saying see what it claims, then investigate if it does what it says.That is a flawed point of view to start with - I am sure whether you take Hitler or Genghis Khan - they never thought of themselves as bad people
Show me any religious text that does not purport to provide humanity with guidance - it is not unique to the Qu'ran
I am not a Muslim; I do believe in Abrahamic Monotheism. I am friendly to the Qur'an.
The following link was posted in a recent thread to support the idea that Islam needs to be reformed. I appreciate the opportunity to review this document in detail and comment on whether or not it has merit.
hyperlink >>> An Inquiry Into Islam: Intolerance Toward Non-Muslims in the Quran
Excerpt:
"...the Qur'an has not a single positive thing to say about non-Muslims"
The qur'an is a spiritual guidance for the muslims. It was meant to guide them to be able to go to Heaven.What are your thoughts regarding the Qur'an's intentions and its effects globally?
I am still churning thru the document from post#2.
For those of you not aware of the background for this thread:
In the wake of the NZ Terrorist attacks on 2 Mosques several threads were created with the intention of supporting those in mourning and affected by the attacks.
In one of these threads people were voicing their concerns that Muslims had in some way encouraged the attack on themselves. In spite of repeated calls to pause the discussion for a few days out of respect for those in mourning and affected by the attacks, the discussion continued.
That is why I created this thread. Discussion critical to Islam was continuing in a thread where it didn't belong. One of the Islam-Critics in this discussion felt it was important to freely discuss their criticisms openly and that the discussion shouldn't be silenced.
That is why I created this thread.
Since the discussion critical to Islam was occurring already, I created this thread in order to provide a venue out and away from a thread intended to support victims of a terrorist attack and the community where it occurred.
If you are familiar with my writing here on this forum, then you know that I support Peaceful Muslims. And part of that is debunking misleading or inaccurate claims against the Qur'an and Muhammad.
In one of the threads intended to support the victims and community of the NZ Terrorist attack, one of the more respectful voices among the Islam-Critics posted the article which is linked in post#2 to support the idea that "Islam needs to be reformed". This article is anti-Islam propaganda.
Here is the Google definition of propaganda:
"information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view."
I did not know the article was propaganda at first. I only knew that it was a long list of Qur'an references that was intended to show Islam invites harm on itself.
But I do have my own internal bias which is pro-Islam. I trust my Muslim friends the same way I trust my Science teacher in High School. At some point, they were right so many times, I just can't help it; I believe them.
In this case, my Muslim friends have convinced me that the Qur'an is not what its critics claim it to be. And I trust my friends. I trust, but I verify.
And that's what I am doing with the article in post#2. I am verifying that my Muslim friends are still right.
The article that was provided to support the idea that "Islam needs to be reformed" is biased and misleading. It is propaganda.
This is not the first time that I have debunked misleading information regarding the Qur'an in support of Peaceful Muslims. I enjoy debunking myths. I enjoy it, I think, the same way that Atheists like to debunk Religious claims of Truth. So I appreciate it when articles like this are posted. I enjoy the research, and I enjoy the learning.
It also feels good to confirm for myself, to ease my own mind, to find more and more evidence that:
Islam is not evil.
Islam is not the problem.
I think, the best way to know intention of the Quran, is to see what Quran itself is saying about itself.
A living book which opens itself to the open and closes itself to the closed. A book which many foolishly mistake to have read, a book which many have also tried to pervert. But a book with a foresight of all of this, a book you don't read, a book that reads you.
You should get out your own Quran and rely on your own mind not see through the minds of others.
I only knew that it was a long list of Qur'an references that was intended to show Islam invites harm on itself.
The Quran is the perfect, unalterable, timeless word of god.
Quite fair. I thank you.Fair enough?
In my view, we need to find the answer to your point from Quran, and Muslim recorded traditions.I believe it's respectful to take people at their words, until you have reason not to. With that, what I've heard from Muslims over and over again, concerning the Quran, is:
A - The Quran is the perfect, unalterable, timeless word of god.
So step one in this conversation is to determine whether we can agree with claim A? But this is the context in which I think about the book. It seems disrespectful to not take Muslims at their word. Now, an important 2nd claim is this:
B - The Quran is clear and easy to understand.
At several points in the book, it declares itself to be clear and easy to understand. When taken in the context of it also being perfect, I think I'm on safe ground concluding that the book should be easy to understand. I've read the book cover to cover, and I've studied two other translations, although not cover to cover. What I've found across three different translations is that the various translators arrive at very similar translations. In other words, I think it's fair to say that we can understand the key points in this perfect and easy to understand book if all we have is good translations.
So, that's the context for my criticisms of the Quran. I await feedback on this context, and then I will explain my criticisms of the book. Fair enough?
The Quran is the perfect, unalterable, timeless word of god.
I think that there are some very disturbing verses in the Qur'an
If someone says: "perfect, unalterable, and timeless" I don't think that means each verse is literally true on its own.