THE NEW AMERICA MAP

[MrMrdevincamus]

OOPS I FORGOT TO POST THE MAP! IT IS AT BOTTOM OF PAGE...(I HOPE!)


This thread's first paragraph is written tongue in cheek and is meant mostly as entertainment. Even considering the intent of the thread (levity) there is a more serious second part, of course its the last paragraph.



Do Ya'all' feel this map (below if it pasted correctly) is an accurate representation of how our nations diversity of people and culture break down? My work has posted me all over the USA, so drawing on that limited resource I will say the map is fairly accurate except for a few minor details that I would change. For example there is a 'too big and culturally incorrect' Greater Appalachia area. By culturally incorrect I mean Appalachia just another word for 'hillbilly', and hillbillies can not be found in on the map called Greater Appalachia. I am proposing a strip of land be demarcated where real hillbillies still live, we could call it ; 'ultra seal team 6 hillbilly lands'. The Hillbilly 6 area should be running north to south along the spine of the Appalachia mountains no more than 40kkm wide, starting in VA and ending in NC! The map denotes EL Notre as a space for our Mexican brothers and sisters, an 'Nu French' area for our coonass* friends, even a 'Yankeedom' chunk of the Northern USA assigned to the well, Yankees.

Anyway seriously the map really is fairly good at showing approximations related to culture etc.
The map could be looked at to be a statement that demonstrates our USA is broken down into distinct areas where human social activity, structures, and function may differ enough to draw a border. That could be a good thing or a bad thing! I feel if we are different enough to draw borders we must be careful not to allow pride in our culture lead to ethnocentrism. I believe we can have both pride in tradition and love others even though they may be radically different. Anyway comment on the serious side of this issue or the funny part if you want, for example is 'your' area represented accurately, or is it way off ?

; {>

 

[Revoltingest]

Hey, I'm the first voter!
It's <no>, btw.
I think we'll all get along.

I can't see the map though.

Edit....
I see it now.
I'm in Yankeedom!

 

[Skwim]

Hey, I'm the first voter!
It's <no>, btw.
I think we'll all get along.

I can't see the map.

There is no map. Mrmrdevincamus has to try again.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Peace is a moving target always, and to maintain peace means constant change of some sort. You have to keep the tiger chasing its tail. Suppose that we find a way to keep all the cultures at peace with each other? Then there will be unrest about something else, and so what really has to happen is the target has to keep moving. At least it seems that way. I'm not saying it with absolute certainty.

Consider an apartment full of well fed people who have money for leisure. They will find small things to be offended about and will have to deal with them, and their tempers will flare. It could be because someone snores or is forgetful -- almost anything. It can be a very small offense, but because the people have relative happiness they become upset over smaller problems.

In order for there to be cultural peace maybe you must move negative attention to something else and then to something else and so forth, and in this fashion you have to keep juggling where the unhappiness is perceived to be coming from.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Having been all over the Eastern US, this map of "sub-nations" based on cultural differences is very accurate. Doesn't mean we're divided based on them, though.

 

[David T]

OOPS I FORGOT TO POST THE MAP! IT IS AT BOTTOM OF PAGE...(I HOPE!)


This thread's first paragraph is written tongue in cheek and is meant mostly as entertainment. Even considering the intent of the thread (levity) there is a more serious second part, of course its the last paragraph.



Do Ya'all' feel this map (below if it pasted correctly) is an accurate representation of how our nations diversity of people and culture break down? My work has posted me all over the USA, so drawing on that limited resource I will say the map is fairly accurate except for a few minor details that I would change. For example there is a 'too big and culturally incorrect' Greater Appalachia area. By culturally incorrect I mean Appalachia just another word for 'hillbilly', and hillbillies can not be found in on the map called Greater Appalachia. I am proposing a strip of land be demarcated where real hillbillies still live, we could call it ; 'ultra seal team 6 hillbilly lands'. The Hillbilly 6 area should be running north to south along the spine of the Appalachia mountains no more than 40kkm wide, starting in VA and ending in NC! The map denotes EL Notre as a space for our Mexican brothers and sisters, an 'Nu French' area for our coonass* friends, even a 'Yankeedom' chunk of the Northern USA assigned to the well, Yankees.

Anyway seriously the map really is fairly good at showing approximations related to culture etc.
The map could be looked at to be a statement that demonstrates our USA is broken down into distinct areas where human social activity, structures, and function may differ enough to draw a border. That could be a good thing or a bad thing! I feel if we are different enough to draw borders we must be careful not to allow pride in our culture lead to ethnocentrism. I believe we can have both pride in tradition and love others even though they may be radically different. Anyway comment on the serious side of this issue or the funny part if you want, for example is 'your' area represented accurately, or is it way off ?

; {>

Oregon is green with a big giant pot leaf and a finger. Go beavers. Hippies with guns.

 

[jonathan180iq]

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."

This is the 2016 election map, by color and voter density.
RED for Republican
BLUE for Democrat
PURPLE for mixed

2016 Presidential Election Results

Where we are the most rigid in our beliefs, we are also the least populated.

 

[Revoltingest]

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."

This is the 2016 election map, by color and voter density.
RED for Republican
BLUE for Democrat
PURPLE for mixed

2016 Presidential Election Results

Where we are the most rigid in our beliefs, we are also the least populated.

How are they more rigid?

 

[YmirGF]

How are they more rigid?

Heaven forbid that population density has anything to do with it.

 

[jonathan180iq]

How are they more rigid?

Strictly defined outcomes.
It wasn't a slight.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Miami county, Indiana, where I live, is in the Midlands. Howard county, Indiana, just a few miles south of here, is in the Greater Appalachia. The two counties are very similar, including over 250 meth lab busts in their county-seat cities.

 

[Revoltingest]

Miami county, Indiana, where I live, is in the Midlands. Howard county, Indiana, just a few miles south of here, is in the Greater Appalachia. The two counties are very similar, including over 250 meth lab busts in their county-seat cities.

Just think....you're almost a 'billy!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just think....you're almost a 'billy!

Nope. I'd have to let myself talk like that again, and that just isn't going to happen. On that I will say "never."

 

[David T]

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes..."

This is the 2016 election map, by color and voter density.
RED for Republican
BLUE for Democrat
PURPLE for mixed

2016 Presidential Election Results

Where we are the most rigid in our beliefs, we are also the least populated.

Wow the East Coast is like big boner.

 

[Quintessence]

The map could be looked at to be a statement that demonstrates our USA is broken down into distinct areas where human social activity, structures, and function may differ enough to draw a border.

I feel the need to pull out one of my favorite phrases: the map is not the territory. I haven't spent a meaningful amount of time in more than a few places during my lifetime, but just thinking about my home state, the map isn't granular enough. For example, there are some communities in my state that have become beacons for Mexican immigrants. In these places, you see the impact of Mexican culture, ranging from more Mexican food stores to bilingual signage. Then there are the university towns, whose culture is strongly shaped by the presence of their respective universities. There are also the small towns that serve the farming communities and the big metropolitan areas that have cultural sub-districts within them. We have a few Amish communities in the state, which are very distinctive entities, plus some other small towns that hold strong onto their European cultural heritage. And let's not forget Native American cultures and tribes are still around!

In short, I think the map obscures a lot of the diversity within the United States rather than successfully articulates it. I don't think we can draw borders like that at all. Borders are a thing humans like to draw because it is easy to think about. Nature has no borders - it's all interconnected and interwoven. Human cultures are nature too. We've got academic nerds living within the same cities as rah-rah sports fans, and they're co-existing with the stay-at-home dads, a fashion-loving stylists, and food-conscious vegetarians. We're constantly surrounded by diversity, and that's awesome!

 

[Father Heathen]

Even though Quebec and Louisiana are descended from the French, I doubt that they have much in common politically and culturally.

 

[Enoch07]

I voted no.

There is no "good" reason people can't get along.

But there is a lot of prejudice and bigotry scattered across that whole map.

 

[Skwim]

It may be helpful to have a description of the various "nations."

​

Yankeedom: Founded by Puritans, residents in Northeastern states and the industrial Midwest tend to be more comfortable with government regulation. They value education and the common good more than other regions.

New Netherland: The Netherlands was the most sophisticated society in the Western world when New York was founded, Woodard writes, so it’s no wonder that the region has been a hub of global commerce. It’s also the region most accepting of historically persecuted populations.

The Midlands: Stretching from Quaker territory west through Iowa and into more populated areas of the Midwest, the Midlands are “pluralistic and organized around the middle class.” Government intrusion is unwelcome, and ethnic and ideological purity isn’t a priority.

Tidewater: The coastal regions in the English colonies of Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland and Delaware tend to respect authority and value tradition. Once the most powerful American nation, it began to decline during Westward expansion.

Greater Appalachia: Extending from West Virginia through the Great Smoky Mountains and into Northwest Texas, the descendants of Irish, English and Scottish settlers value individual liberty. Residents are “intensely suspicious of lowland aristocrats and Yankee social engineers.”

Deep South: Dixie still traces its roots to the caste system established by masters who tried to duplicate West Indies-style slave society, Woodard writes. The Old South values states’ rights and local control and fights the expansion of federal powers.

El Norte: Southwest Texas and the border region is the oldest, and most linguistically different, nation in the Americas. Hard work and self-sufficiency are prized values.

The Left Coast: A hybrid, Woodard says, of Appalachian independence and Yankee utopianism loosely defined by the Pacific Ocean on one side and coastal mountain ranges like the Cascades and the Sierra Nevadas on the other. The independence and innovation required of early explorers continues to manifest in places like Silicon Valley and the tech companies around Seattle.

The Far West: The Great Plains and the Mountain West were built by industry, made necessary by harsh, sometimes inhospitable climates. Far Westerners are intensely libertarian and deeply distrustful of big institutions, whether they are railroads and monopolies or the federal government.

New France: Former French colonies in and around New Orleans and Quebec tend toward consensus and egalitarian, “among the most liberal on the continent, with unusually tolerant attitudes toward gays and people of all races and a ready acceptance of government involvement in the economy,” Woodard writes.

First Nation: The few First Nation peoples left — Native Americans who never gave up their land to white settlers — are mainly in the harshly Arctic north of Canada and Alaska. They have sovereignty over their lands, but their population is only around 300,000.
source

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[beenherebeforeagain]

OOPS I FORGOT TO POST THE MAP! IT IS AT BOTTOM OF PAGE...(I HOPE!)


This thread's first paragraph is written tongue in cheek and is meant mostly as entertainment. Even considering the intent of the thread (levity) there is a more serious second part, of course its the last paragraph.



Do Ya'all' feel this map (below if it pasted correctly) is an accurate representation of how our nations diversity of people and culture break down? My work has posted me all over the USA, so drawing on that limited resource I will say the map is fairly accurate except for a few minor details that I would change. For example there is a 'too big and culturally incorrect' Greater Appalachia area. By culturally incorrect I mean Appalachia just another word for 'hillbilly', and hillbillies can not be found in on the map called Greater Appalachia. I am proposing a strip of land be demarcated where real hillbillies still live, we could call it ; 'ultra seal team 6 hillbilly lands'. The Hillbilly 6 area should be running north to south along the spine of the Appalachia mountains no more than 40kkm wide, starting in VA and ending in NC! The map denotes EL Notre as a space for our Mexican brothers and sisters, an 'Nu French' area for our coonass* friends, even a 'Yankeedom' chunk of the Northern USA assigned to the well, Yankees.

Anyway seriously the map really is fairly good at showing approximations related to culture etc.
The map could be looked at to be a statement that demonstrates our USA is broken down into distinct areas where human social activity, structures, and function may differ enough to draw a border. That could be a good thing or a bad thing! I feel if we are different enough to draw borders we must be careful not to allow pride in our culture lead to ethnocentrism. I believe we can have both pride in tradition and love others even though they may be radically different. Anyway comment on the serious side of this issue or the funny part if you want, for example is 'your' area represented accurately, or is it way off ?

; {>

Got a source for this?

Over the years, I've seen a good many attempts to map America in particular...there's always some value to the exercise, but if you don't know how they're reaching what they show, it isn't all that useful.

But for what it's worth, it's got a fairly good peg on my home stomping grounds...Greater Appalachia...

Edit: Thanks, Skwim!

EditEdit: it seems the WP wants to charge me money to look at the article, but I do note that this was from 2013...

 

[Enoch07]

I think it may be helpful to have a description of the various "nations."

​

Yankeedom: Founded by Puritans, residents in Northeastern states and the industrial Midwest tend to be more comfortable with government regulation. They value education and the common good more than other regions.

New Netherland: The Netherlands was the most sophisticated society in the Western world when New York was founded, Woodard writes, so it’s no wonder that the region has been a hub of global commerce. It’s also the region most accepting of historically persecuted populations.

The Midlands: Stretching from Quaker territory west through Iowa and into more populated areas of the Midwest, the Midlands are “pluralistic and organized around the middle class.” Government intrusion is unwelcome, and ethnic and ideological purity isn’t a priority.

Tidewater: The coastal regions in the English colonies of Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland and Delaware tend to respect authority and value tradition. Once the most powerful American nation, it began to decline during Westward expansion.

Greater Appalachia: Extending from West Virginia through the Great Smoky Mountains and into Northwest Texas, the descendants of Irish, English and Scottish settlers value individual liberty. Residents are “intensely suspicious of lowland aristocrats and Yankee social engineers.”

Deep South: Dixie still traces its roots to the caste system established by masters who tried to duplicate West Indies-style slave society, Woodard writes. The Old South values states’ rights and local control and fights the expansion of federal powers.

El Norte: Southwest Texas and the border region is the oldest, and most linguistically different, nation in the Americas. Hard work and self-sufficiency are prized values.

The Left Coast: A hybrid, Woodard says, of Appalachian independence and Yankee utopianism loosely defined by the Pacific Ocean on one side and coastal mountain ranges like the Cascades and the Sierra Nevadas on the other. The independence and innovation required of early explorers continues to manifest in places like Silicon Valley and the tech companies around Seattle.

The Far West: The Great Plains and the Mountain West were built by industry, made necessary by harsh, sometimes inhospitable climates. Far Westerners are intensely libertarian and deeply distrustful of big institutions, whether they are railroads and monopolies or the federal government.

New France: Former French colonies in and around New Orleans and Quebec tend toward consensus and egalitarian, “among the most liberal on the continent, with unusually tolerant attitudes toward gays and people of all races and a ready acceptance of government involvement in the economy,” Woodard writes.

First Nation: The few First Nation peoples left — Native Americans who never gave up their land to white settlers — are mainly in the harshly Arctic north of Canada and Alaska. They have sovereignty over their lands, but their population is only around 300,000.
source

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Not sure about the rest. But, I can attest to the Greater Appalachia's validity. I might as well be the poster child for that definition.