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Featured The LORD is my shepherd

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Redemptionsong, Jul 13, 2020.

  1. Redemptionsong

    Redemptionsong Well-Known Member

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    My starting point in this thread is a syllogism. Feel free to post your thoughts on its logic and validity.

    Here we go:

    The LORD (YHWH) is my shepherd [Psalm 23:1]
    Jesus Christ is my shepherd [John 10:14]
    Therefore, Jesus Christ is the LORD [John 20:28]
     
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  2. Rival

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    G-d is not a man, that He should lie; nor is He the son of man, that He should Repent. Num: 23:19.

    Therefore, Jesus is not G-d.
     
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  3. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    If a= b and b=c, then a=c.

    How beautiful it was when David found that YHWY was a caring shepherd. It is the first time that He was declared to be a pastor - a revelation
     
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    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    That was BC. Jesus became the revelation of the Word of Life when He willingly limited himself into the confines of a man to reveal the fulness of the Father. In the Christian understanding
     
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    'Hear, O Israel, The LORD Your G-d, the LORD is one.' Deut 6:4.

    Therefore, He cannot be divided into before and after; to do so would undermine His oneness.
     
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  6. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    The Lord - singular
    your God - Eloyhim - plural representing the three
    Lord is one - but one Lord
     
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    Elohim can also refer to judges, princes, nobles and other gods. Are you suggesting this of G-D?
     
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    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    But in this declaration it is G-d
     
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    God also declares Himself to be One; not many in one, not one divisible, only One.

    He also declares Himself not to be a man, nor the son of man.
     
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    But man is three parts also (spirit, soul and body) but still one.

    The context of your declaration is more about Him being faithful to what He said and not the makeup of what was to come. His plurality and oneness can be found in the OT
     
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    G-d is not a man.
     
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    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    When God, The Word, was made flesh, he became man to redeem man. In Christian understanding.
     
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    But you know it doesn’t say “the Lord”.
     
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    Why do you want to be herded?
     
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    Rival is my friend.
    Jayhawker Soule is my friend.
    Therefore, Rival is Jayhawker Soule.
     
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    It's not a valid syllogism. You have failed to demonstrate that you can have only one shepherd. It's also not a sound argument for reasons mentionned by other posters.
     
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    All whales are mammals. All humans are mammals. Therefore all whales are humans. No? Why not?
     
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    because its the difference between apples and oranges?
     
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    Because this isn't a valid syllogism in structure nor is it sound. A syllogism is very much like an equation, you can't just throw numbers and symbols and say it make sense.
     
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    It was an example of circular reasoning. "The Lord is my shepherd". Jesus is my shepherd. Therefore Jesus is the Lord". Angus Fels is a shepherd. Therefore the 23rd psalm is about Angus.
     
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