See the Times of Israel Defeatist Obama's Deal with the Devil and ynetnews' Israel needs a reality check on Iran
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The Iran Deal: Good, Bad, Huh … ?
- Thread starter Jayhawker Soule
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Too early to tell.
Let the dust settle, the partisans quiet down, & some reasonable assessments come forth.
But so far, we're not at war....that's good.
Let the dust settle, the partisans quiet down, & some reasonable assessments come forth.
But so far, we're not at war....that's good.
Not a bad summary ...
Sure, but it is not even a matter of belief. It is rather of honor. We can't presupose that they will.
Not me, I'm confident that they are developing a nuclear weapon and will use it.
The thing about nukes is that you don't have to explode them to use them. Just having the credible threat available gives you a lot of power. The mere ability to close the straight of Hormuz no matter how many battleships or aircraft carriers the USA sends is a game changer. So is a credible counter to Israeli nukes. When Iran gets their bomb the global balance of power will shift a good deal in Iran's favor. They know that and I don't think anything can be done to stop them.
Tom
I fear you are right. Nothing will stop them. They have the blessings of the U.S. and some 22 other nations.
Its hundreds of times more likely to Israel using nuclear bombs on people. All countries have right to have these weapons, having these weapons by every countries is the guarantee of noone will dare to use these weapons. As Turkiye we are also working hard for nuclear power together Japan and Russia.
I think it's unlikely they'd use it.
I do not understand what you're saying here.
"the blessings of the US"?
We practically forced them into it, but they don't have any blessing.
Tom
Of course they'll use it.
Suppose they told Riyahd "cut your oil output or something very bad will happen to your oil loading ports. And nobody can do anything about it without risking nuclear war."
Tom
How can you be so sure they'd use it, when international repercussions would be catastrophic? If they used against an ally, they'd know we'd attack them. If they attacked anyone else, they'd know that the currently ending sanctions would be a cake walk compared to the purple rain which would ensue.
every deal lead to real peace , is good step .
I am wonder why Israel still affraid from Iran , since all under control with Western countries !!!
Using them does not mean exploding one.
How long has the USA used ours without exploding one? Why do we continue to support the middle easts first nuclear power, Israel? Why haven't launched a truly devastating attack lately?
Because having such a weapon gives you huge power as a threat. You don't have to explode one to project that power.
A nuclear tipped Iran could just threaten to launch an attack on Saudi Arabia and the USA would have to consider the possibility of living without mideast oil and Tel Aviv being reduced to a glass ashtray when deciding how to respond.
The USA has gotten accustomed to bullying non-nuclear countries and that isn't a long term strategy any more.
Tom
Are you referring to MAD?
They have a whole lotta political power here.
No doubt Iran no longer wants to be bullied, with Americastan & Israelistan continually threatening invasion.
Iran has much higher aspirations than that.
They want to be a global power on par with the USA and China and Germany.
That's why they will accept the pain of short term economic sanctions so readily. In the long term, they will win and they know it.
The USA is their main competitor, and it is descending into a spiral of quarterly profit reports, election cycles, religious arguments about queers and abortion.
Tom
In my case, that it is both premature to assume that Iran will necessarily build and deploy nuclear weapons if allowed to, and quite dangerous and dishonorable to deny them the chance to show good will.
Somehow i just don't know that Iran is quite that formidable.