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Featured The Hijab Problem

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by 9-18-1, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Hardline moderate

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    1. Many women in Islamic countries wear what they want, too. And plenty of Western women don't.

    2.No I'm making the "don't point out the mote in thy brother's eye" argument. I'm not saying either case is particularly wrong OR right, rather that different cultures have different experiences and expectations, and judging one culture's values by the standards of another is invariably counterproductive, and usually involves a fair amount of hypocrisy. Ultimately, if you're that worried about freeing women from arbitrary social constraints, I say that's great, but clean up your own yard first, before condemning the neighbours', you know?
     
  2. loverofhumanity

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    As I said. When one develops their insight and perception then the existence of God is a no brainer. Until then you and others will not be able to perceive God as your inner sight is underdeveloped.

    That’s why Jesus and other Prophets have always said things like ‘those that have eyes to see and ears to hear’ because these are spiritual qualities that one must possess to know God. Worldly knowledge does not grant the knowledge of God.
     
  3. loverofhumanity

    loverofhumanity Well-Known Member
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    Yes exactly. For example Jesus taught love, forgiveness and brotherhood yet Christians went to war against each other and others. That is against the law of love and the teachings of Jesus. So Christians at one point no longer obeyed Jesus but the clergy who put theology above love and unity and Christianity became divided and disunited.

    All the Founders of religions, their teachings are beautiful and the essence of truth. We could apply the spiritual teachings of any religion to our lives such as love, good thoughts, good words, good deeds and we would be happier.

    But in this age we need to learn to accept the common spiritual foundations of all religions and that will unite us.

    I pray in Buddhist temples or pagodas, Jewish synagogues, Christian Churches and in Muslim Mosques and I see God and truth in all these places. I accept all these religions as my own, both their Founders and Holy Books only not the clergy as they teach us to be divided that one religion is greater than another and create disunity. I can be a universal person, accept all Faiths and love all humankind religious or not it does not matter if I welcome all and avoid exclusivism and superiority.

    My religion teaches me that all the religions are true and to accept them all and that is a beautiful soace to be in, to be at peace with all people.
     
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  4. stvdv

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    Thanks, I obviously misread some of your words. Thanks for the update, you made it now more than obvious you are not anywhere close to a Muslim;)
    Keep on pointing out hypocrisy, that's always good
     
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  5. Subduction Zone

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    Hand waving is not a valid argument. Your inability to support your belief strengthens my argument that there is no rational reason to believe in a god. All it would take to refute me was one solid argument for a god. Do you have one? Nonsense about "inner sight" just won't cut it.
     
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  6. stvdv

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    I think a more important question for you would be "Are you ready to accept a flaw in Koran"?
    I have seen so many Atheists on RF disclose flaws on the Bible and Koran, but Christians and Muslims were not ready to see and admit the flaws.
    So I came to the conclusion it is useless for me to disclose flaws. You are smart enough to find them yourself, if you want, if you don't want, also okay

    First thing to consider is "are you flawless yourself"?
    Next thing to consider is "if you have flaws, how are you able to discern something is flawless"?
    Do you follow blind the words of others who tell you "the koran is flawless"?
    That would mean you do not "know" yourself the Koran is flawless
    If you would argue "I did not find any flaws so far", yes obvious, because you have flaws yourself
    Maybe the flaw is that you are not open to "find flaws in the Koran"

    I have seen quite a few people debate on flaws in each others' religion/scriptures.
    For me it is more fruitfull to find the flaws in my own religion
    And even more important to find the flaws in myself
    And most important to get rid of my own flaws

    For me it is obvious that whatever is on/in this world has flaws
    But by all means feel free to disagree and keep on believing the Koran is flawless
    If this makes you happy, I would be the last to take your happiness away
     
  7. Remté

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    So you can't name any.
     
  8. stvdv

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    You misread my lines
     
  9. loverofhumanity

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    There is no proof I could offer that I think you would accept because it seems you have already made up your mind. But I’ll offer one proof which I believe is a clear proof. at least to billions of people on the planet.

    That is, The greatest of all proofs are the lives and teachings of the Prophets and Messengers Themselves. Buddha, Krishna, Christ, Zoroaster, Moses, Abraham, the Bab and recently Baha’u’llah.
     
  10. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Oh please!
    I wrote:-
    oldbadger said: ↑
    You got half of that right, so 5/10.
    The problem is continually addressed, but has never improved.

    You claimed that I am wrong...... I look forward to your proofs about that.
    Subduction Zone:
    I disagree, but then with such a claim you can prove that there has been no improvement I am sure.
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    Now, I made a simple search and snatched the first two websites that show a rise in bullying where we are, so please just learn from that............. get reading! :)

    Here Is Why We Need To Talk About Bullying In The Work Place
    https://www.forbes.com/.../workplace-bullying-here-is-why-we-need-to-talk-about-bu...
    29 Jul 2018 - Recent studies have shown that workplace bullying is on the rise. Research has proven that almost 75% of employees surveyed had been affected by workplace bullying. ... Workplace bullying is also not carried out by supervisors and superiors alone, but also by co-workers. In all cases, it is a form of power struggle.
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    Bullying Prevention Is More Important Than Ever - Education Week ...
    https://www.edweek.org/.../articles/.../bullying-prevention-is-more-important-than-ever....
    22 Nov 2016 - Some reports show an uptick in bullying incidents since Election Day. ... Printer-Friendly; Email Article; Reprint ... Words that once disappeared into thin air in the classroom now linger on Facebook pages, Instagram accounts, ...

    Interesting claim, that.

    So what are my beliefs?
     
  11. icehorse

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    Here we are on a separate thread, and someone else has claimed flaws in the Quran, and you're asking for examples. okay.

    It could be that the problem here is one of context. Something can be flawed only when assessed against some expectations. For example, if our context is something like: "How good is the book as a guide for a small tribe in the ME, 1400 years ago, struggling to survive?", then I would say it's a pretty good book.

    However, the context that concerns me is the modern one in which Muslims claim (more or less): "The book is perfect, timeless, and clear, and is a guide for living in the 21st century", then I would say the book is horrible.

    So @Remté, let me ask you, what's YOUR context for the book?
     
  12. Remté

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    It's a religious scripture. Perhaps the context could be history, religion and humanity.
     
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    Still kind of vague, but okay. I could understand you claiming it's not flawed from a historical context. But I think your context ought to be a little crisper than what you just stated. Be bold!
     
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    No, I have not made up my mind. The problem is that you have not been able to support your beliefs with a rational argument. By the way you just made another argument by using an appeal to popularity. That is nowhere being a "proof" either. It is another logical fallacy.

    Tell me, is it unreasonable to demand a rational reason?
     
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    your links do not work. You also need to know the difference between a ride in reports and a ride in actual numbers. When I grew up bullying was everywhere, it was not reported as it now is. Your figures may be unfounded, but without a way to even see if your sources are correct, or even agree with you your point is mute.
     
  16. loverofhumanity

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    The greatest proof of God is His Manifestation. The Messengers are His Manifestations.
     
  17. Remté

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    Why? What do I need an announced context for? You're only avoiding the point; what is the flaw?
     
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    Do you consider them human still?
     
  19. loverofhumanity

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    They were pre existent. They were not conceived at conception like us but in another world before taking human form here to be able to communicate with us.
     
  20. Subduction Zone

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    So no proof at all.

    You might want to study logical fallacies a little:

    Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies

    Your last one was an appeal to authority.
     
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