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Featured The Hellinization of Jews and Greek philosophy

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Riders, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

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    Theres issues with what Christians believe about the way Christianity came about and what teachers who teach Pagan theories are.

    However there are coincidences, such as the idea that some Pagan theories teach that the Flaviuns a family of greek royalty were the true writers of the new testament. But Christians believe the writings of Josephus who was a flaviun prove Jesus was real. HMMMMM wonder what happened there?


    So here's the bug picture of Christian thought. Christians claim Pagans did not write the bible. They will use wiki against me to prove the thought. Well Wiki says and I will put up the source, that Hellina Jews were the beginning of Christianity which were esoteric Jews influenced by Greek culture. Christian's have no issue with this and say Greek culture was Jewish whatever.

    We have a problem, I was told on another thread that the new testament was written in Koine Greek.In the passage in WIki, it mentions Philo having had influence on writing of the new testament and again with Greek society and Hellinized Jews.

    I did research in Hellinized Jews and they were Jews who brought to Rome from the middle east to work as carpenters and workers of art and building for Rome and after awhile took on the Greek culture.

    The problem is that if you go by Christians claims on here, they dont have an issue with Greek philosophy but none of them study it or practice Greek philosophy.........why would they? Oh interesting fact here Philo was a greek Philosopher himself.

    He became a philosopher and put Greek Philosophy at the core of his teachings along with Christianity and Jewish beliefs but actually he put Greek Philosophy as the most important part of his life.

    Hellinized Jewish beliefs on the internet also name Greek Philosophy as big a part of beliefs if not a bigger part of the beliefs of the hellinized Jews that became Christian. So going by Christians history, and I dont believe it but if I were going by that, I don't see how Christians can get by without including Greek Philosophy into the belief system

    Ive got tons of sources Ill be back to post them.
     
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    The Decapolis was ten Greek cities up north around Galilee before the birth of Christ.

    Cities of the Decapolis During the Time of Jesus.

    • Scythopolis.
    • Hypos.
    • Gadara.
    • Pella.
    • Philadelphia.
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    Cities of the Decapolis During the Time of Jesus - Map of the Minis…
    www.bible-history.com/map_jesus/MAPJESUSCities_of_the_Decapolis.htm
     
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    Ok i was going to copy word for but decided to bring the whole page instead. Just read the top half of the page and I say ahaha aha aha aha to Christians, Christianity and the hellinized Jews were started by Greek philosophers I ask ?Philo - Wikipedia
     
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    Greek and Roman mythology are an intimate part of Christian doctrine, dogma and beliefs. Paul was an important influence in the Hellenization of Christianity.

    I do believe Hellenization had an influence on Jewish philosophy, but not on Jewish theology as it had on Christianity.
     
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    You didn't need to go to Rome to be influenced by Greek culture.

    Greek culture was very influential here have been Hellenic communities across the Middle East since the time of Alexander the Great, see Hellenistic period - Wikipedia

    Greek philosophy has always had an influence on Christianity. Even early Christians acknowledge this. It's hardly controversial.

    Philosophy far more than mythology, Platonism for example.
     
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    Christianity was Hellenic from the beginning.

    Origen and the Platonic Tradition by Ilaria L.E. Ramelli
    Hellenistic Influence On The Idea Of Resurrection In Jewish Apocalyptic Literature by Stephen J. Bedard
     
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    But I dont see the influence today nor do Christians study or practice Greek philosophy but the early ones did.
     
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    Oh and I should add this. I have asked the Baptists and nondenominationals, my family and Christian friends on studying Greek Philosophy, they deny that Greek culture had any affect on Christians and say that Greek Philosophy is of the devil, they would not permit it because its like being in another religion...................My sisters disagree with me going I would go anyways if I could though there are not any Greek Philosophy groups in dallas.
     
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    Religions are influenced by their cultural environment, and the cultural environment is very different today than it was back then.

    If you were educated back then, you'd likely be educated in the Greek classics. Today most people aren't.

    You didn't need to study Greek philosophy, it's just that many early theologians had studied it and so it formed part of their intellectual framework and this influenced their theological reasoning.
     
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    But the fact that many conservative Christians do not even agree with what you just said, they think of Greek Philosophy as being of the devil to me means they don't really understand the origins of their own religion or even the main beliefs.

    I believe Greek philosophy is a part to the bible. Seeing that they demonize everything outside of their own church groups means they've lost their own identity and personally I'm not convinced they are actually practicing Christianity.

    Today's right winged church does not resemble anything like the church and certainly sense they are against Greek Philosophy because they think its of the devil means they have absolutley no knowledge of their own origins which is sad.

    I tend to agree with the Pagan Christ theory anyways, but even taking the devils advocate here, the conservative church of today resembles nothing of the early original Christian religion.

    Its a religion in and of itself.
     
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    Fundamentalist Protestants reject a lot of things to do with the Catholic Church.

    This is very different to the influence of philosophy such as Middle/Neoplatonism on theology.
     
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    See the book of Acts re: conflict between Hellenized and Hebraic Jews.

    The Hell in Hellenism « Jewish History
    https://www.jewishhistory.org/the-hell-in-hellenism

    The Hell in Hellenism
    . Greek culture slowly infiltrated Jewish culture, threatening to destroy the Jewish people in ways tyrants could not do through brute force. After the death of Alexander the Great, the Greek empire in the Mediterranean basin divided into two main sections.
     
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    As far as Western thought and philosophy, Greek had an immense influence throughout history, but the mythology of both Greece and Rome influenced Christian theology. Through Genesis the mythology of Sumerian, Babylonian and Canaanite cultures influenced both Judaism and Christianity.
     
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    Hellenization encouraged the use of "reason" along with the concept of "essence", plus was less parochial than the Judaism of Jesus' day, all of which very much became part & parcel within Christianity.
     
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    Thankyou I will read that if I can thats interesting.
     
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    I believe so. Thank you its interesting.
     
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    Well Im playing 2 hands here. I tend to agree with the Pagan Christ theory. However sense I went on the wiki side of things, I thought Id play devils advocate by taking the Christian side of things, because it seems to me that even if you goa long with Christian beliefs, the early Christians beliefs were way way way different then those in the church.

    They were borrowing from a few different religions and philosophy to get Christianity. Yet the conservative churches think they are the only ones going to heaven, to me that's directly against the original sharing of philosophy and religions.

    I wont speak on liberal Christian churches though, they dont study Greek philosophy but are more accepting of GLBTs and folks from different religions so they seem to be a little closer to the original group who shared ideas and religions and philosophy.
     
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