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Featured The Hadith, source of Islamic atrocities.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SA Huguenot, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    African Rulers of India: Janjira, Sachin, Adoni, Ahmadnagar, Bengal Sultanate.

    Dr. Kenneth Robbins, author of “African elites in India”, is of the opinion that it is necessary to shed light on the ruling status of Africans in India. .. “A major difference in the history of African presence in the rest of the world and that in India is that racial discrimination was not a feature. Nowhere else in the world had they ruled.”
    African rulers of India: That part of our history we choose to forget
     
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    Only the Quran is the Word of God both to Sunni and Shia and anything which contradicts it is false. Many fabricated hadiths were created by His enemies to slander Prophet Muhammad during His lifetime and afterwards thousands upon thousands by the Abbasids and Umayyads to try and justify their disobedience to the Quran.

    The Quran alone promoted peace and integration never war and violence.
     
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    Sure power could easily alter policy.
     
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    Action speaks volume. The Ahmadiyya have done a lot of good in Canada. Also they have embrace Canada rather than Canada having to embrace them. This is what I call the difference between shared values vs blind multiculturalism The former naturally results in multiculturalism while the later never wants to evaluate the culture until something horrible happens.

    Now we have conservative Muslims bring back ideas like sex based segregation in private and public life. That is a major step back.
     
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    Jihad has been used for political wars. The Ottomans joined the Central Powers in WW1 in a declaration of Jihad.
     
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    The Sunni are the dominate branch mind you.
     
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    They are yeah. But both sides originate from the beginning and split because of politics. And as far as i know we do not know whose history is true. So addressing the Sunni hadith would only impact them and not the rest.
     
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    My point was being the dominant branch will tend to be the one most know due to basic communication used to share knowledge.

    I doubt either is true. The methods are not very reliable
     
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    Ahh... OK. I didn't get your point earlier.

    It is very difficult to get a solid answer from muslims about the methods as well.
     
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    The method relies heavily on trust as a primary called Chain of Narration. A modern term would be Chinese whispers or telephone but with the assumption no one in the chain made a mistake. Person A heard so and so then told the author. Person B heard so and so from Person C. I think one chain is 11 people long. So 11 people passed this information in order until the 11th told the author.
     
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    My problem that I addressed with a muslim colleague about the hadith is this:

    Bukhari apparently destroyed most of the hadiths that he collected because he claimed that they "weren't trustworthy". How do we trust that what he is saying is true and he didn't just throw away damning evidence against muhammed and Islam? How do we know that he was correct?

    The same thing happened with the Quran. Uthman compiled a standardised text and burnt the rest. Who is to say that he didn't make up his own stuff in the standardised version?

    They counter this by saying that the original muslims could recite the verses and detect mistakes. But where is the proof of that?

    Itb is all based on unfounded trust in people that nobody today knows.
     
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    Pretty much. However without the shield of doctrine and dogma people are rejecting various narrations for whatever reason. The religious class has issues influencing people it can not control. Scholars and layman alike.
     
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    Yeah. It seems like they choose narrations depending on whether they like it or not. Often when they encounter a damning narration, they say it isn't authentic as a reaction.
     
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    Jihad is also political of course. What kind of war isn't political?
     
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    I don't know if you are in Canada but in the U.S. we have conservative "Christians", just as bad.
     
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    I did always think that the East African coast was very near India and so people must have gotten together from both areas.

    In regard to loud music, drinking, etc. does that mean that many people in India don't like any Americans? Many of us do that and, having many friends from the Philippines, I know that some other non-Americans also like frivolity. I go to parties and have a lot of fun. Also, I love Bollywood movies. They always make India look like a really fun, frivolous place. What is the difference?
     
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    Yeah, you are right. Indians (Hindus and Muslims, both) do not appreciate 'frivolous' behavior in public, whether Americans do it or Chinese or any other. We have no problem with people enjoying themselves in private without disturbing others. As I said, we are a bit conservative. There are festival times when it would not be objected. Bollywood too is considered very 'frivolous'. These are films and not real life. :)
     
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    So says a Bahai who would not agree that Mohammad is 'Khātam al-Anbiyā'.
    Extend this to include whether there were any messages or even that there is a God, whether for Christians, Muslims, Hindus or any other.
     
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    Well, I get that Bollywood is not real life. It is very fantastic and so much fun but I didn't know that many people from India were conservative. I am not conservative at all. I'm not sure that I am understanding all of this.
     
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    That is precisely why it is so valid to criticise certain Hadith, because even in a country like Indonesia where only 54% believe that Shariah is revealed by God and only 18% of the 72% who believe Shariah should be made the law of the land also believe the death penalty should be applied for apostates we see this;

    Doesn't take much intelligence to picture what goes on in countries like Malaysia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, Jordan and Palestine where the percentages are much much higher does it?
     
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