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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by The Hammer, Apr 11, 2021.

  1. Trailblazer

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    Those verses about fruits refer to fruits of the the prophets, not to fruits of the Christians.

    Matthew 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    Fruits: the pleasant or successful result of work or actions: fruit
    And how do you know what those verses mean by destroy? HOW will the wicked be destroyed? WHAT will be destroyed?
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    I find 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 is around us. The Bible does Not even have to tell us that, but what is going on around us connects to what we can learn from the Bible.

    Yes, boils down to how much belief......
    God has the Rule Book (aka Bible) and we have the Play Book, the Play Bill.
    - Psalms 103:10-11 God's mercy is for those who choose to have a respectful reverential fear of displeasing God.
     
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  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    I have never believed in "Peace and Security ..". I believe that existence is always a struggle. To quote Bible or any other religious book is 'Circular Reasoning', if there is no independent evidence.
     
  4. URAVIP2ME

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    Verses 17-20 to me include more than false prophets/clergy in sheep's clothing - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
    ALL that produce ' bad fruits ' unsuitable - Matthew 7:17 In other words, a tree is know by its fruits.
    A bad tree is an unproductive tree.
    In Bible times a tree was taxed so it would be costly to keep a bad unproductive tree around.

    As to how the wicked will be destroyed: it is by the executional words from Jesus' mouth - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15.
    Only the wicked will be destroyed (Revelation 11:18 B)
    Humble meek people will inherit the Earth as Jesus promised at Matthew 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11,29
     
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  5. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, 'always a struggle', and that is why the 'saying' of "Peace and Security...." is only a rosy saying and Not the real thing.
    To me the ' independent evidence ' is the world scene today, the world news today.
    Not simply quoting or referring to the Bible, but simply explaining what is the 'final signal', so to speak, leading up to a coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth between humble meek people and haughty people.
     
  6. rational experiences

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    Philosophy of life was claimed a science.

    Life however was always natural first.

    Science as rational philosophy claim science equates life is mutual equal first. So why organise control a teaching about life. Why dominating organisation angers them.

    Yet their organisation group science caused the problems as organised bullying involved inventive self gain in group bullying. Why spiritual humans ignore scientists.

    As we know consciously religious life tried to reunite humanity under any one banner. Yet it was using the same human logic family advice

    So religion and science in organisation proven wrong.

    Why you cannot gain any agreement.

    A natural human living can simply quote family first. How about not using organisation to make your stand.

    A human thinking was always first just a human thinking.
     
  7. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Silent Generation - so don't expect much
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    I'm not one of them.
     
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  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Kindly let me know as to how the world scene of world news today is any kind of independent evidence for Jesus or the Abrahamic God.
    Ah, the 'end of time' threat! Do you think it will frighten the atheists in 21st Century?
     
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    Yes, a tree is known by its fruits.

    Matthew 7:19-21 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    “The essence of faith is fewness of words and abundance of deeds; he whose words exceed his deeds, know verily his death is better than his life.”

    “Man is like unto a tree. If he be adorned with fruit, he hath been and will ever be worthy of praise and commendation. Otherwise a fruitless tree is but fit for fire.” Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156, 257
    Those verses do not say how the wicked will be destroyed. What do you believe will happen to them?
     
  10. URAVIP2ME

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    There is No ' end of time ', that is Not a Bible teaching, but there is the 'last days of badness on Earth' - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
    What is recorded at 2nd Timothy 3 world news, Luke 21:11 coupled with the international declaring about God's kingdom being now done just as written at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 is Not to frighten atheists but to inform everyone that God's kingdom is a real government that will bring blessing benefits for Earth - Daniel 2:44.
    To me 'independent evidence' will be shown when the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..."
    this will prove to be the precursor to the coming ' great tribulation '. A tribulation to rid the Earth of wickedness.
    Instead of 'end time threat' the good news of God's kingdom or government is what will bring Peace on Earth.
    Not 'end of time', but the beginning of the start of good times coming to Earth.
    Good times such as: good health for earth's nations.
     
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    Yes, the wicked will be destroyed by the executional sword-like words from Jesus' mouth
    - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:15
     
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  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Well, talking of the 'great tribulation' is a threat. However, it does not frighten me.
    Yeah, Christians have been waiting for it since the death of Jesus. You too, I think, do not know exactly when that will happen.
     
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    Or that it will happen.
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    ^ The differences in Abrahamic religions. One says something, the other says something else. They make up whatever way they want.
     
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  15. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, you are right, I do Not know exactly when there will be the 'saying' of Peace and Security.....
    That is only for the God of Jesus to know according to Jesus at Matthew 24:36.
    However, we are in the right ' season', so to speak, for that to happen.
    This system is Not going to fall apart on its own, so I don't look for something like that to happen.
    If you were warned that a Tsunami was approaching would you consider that a threat ________
    Or, rather a warning for your welfare to safeguard you _________
    To me because Rev. 7:9 says there will be a ' great crowd ' of people who will survive the great tribulation shows that a great multitude of people will be delivered, rescued or saved through that time frame.
    So, instead of a threat, we are being forewarned so that we can be forearmed. Not caught off guard.
    Also, Jesus likened conditions to Noah's Day.
    In Noah's Day, Sodom and Gomorrah and even with the destruction of un-faithful Jerusalem the 'end ' came 'hard and swift'. So, that is what the set pattern will be for the great tribulation time frame.
    People who are on Jesus' side will be protected as written at Isaiah 26:20
    Not a threat, but a secure promise of protective care through earth's time of coming woe.
    Yes, then what lies ahead should Not frighten, but give hope.
     
  16. URAVIP2ME

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    I would think every professed religion says what they think.
    ( Even within ' Christendom ' ( so-called Christians but mostly in name only - Matthew 7:21-23 )
    However, I find what Jesus professed was Not what he thought; Not his own ideas.
    Jesus backed up his teachings by referring back to the OT.
    Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " It is written....."
    Meaning already written down corresponding to the old Hebrew Scriptures.
    Jesus explained or expounded and fulfilled the OT for us.
     
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    I totally agree.
     
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    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    :) 2,000 year old fables of Israel.
    Ah, a very reliable source indeed!
     
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    Religion like any group is a place of meeting to practice ceremonies.

    If humans like ceremony they prove they do.

    If they state a ceremony allows me to be peaceful. Caring. More balanced and loving. Then the human is having that experience.

    If a human tries to enforce beliefs onto free will of life then you have to challenge why.

    Most times the family country DNA life owner ceremonies is a claim my family is better than yours.

    As a basic human review why about personal status. One teaching.

    One country one DNA status to nation and land rights. The reason used one as it's applied thesis. Yet each one DNA is a variable.

    We can't all live in one place on earth the rationale to allow all one historic human nation DNA ceremonies to be admired in human expression of love care unity and compassion.

    We taught O one God caused human DNA separation and language diversity. Taught in human realisation of spirituality.

    Any other human trait was already reasoned by logic to not be human spiritual family objectives.

    O one God owned admired human family spiritual expressive variations.
     
  20. URAVIP2ME

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    Calling something a fable does Not necessarily prove it is a fable.
    I can't find anything Jesus taught as Not a reliable source.
    Over the centuries people have tried to silence Jesus, cut off his communication, but have Not been successful.
    Can't be successful because Jesus is a reliable source, and I think as it is written so shall it be.
     
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