Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Can the view that death is absolute (the big end, nothing after, no way no how) enrich a person's appreciation for life?
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yep, this is it, don't mess it up.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Ok, now pretend you hold this illusion and address the question please.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Can the addition of ketchup improve the taste of a cheeseburger?
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
No.
If you have no do-overs, that's one hell of a motivation to get it right the first damn time.
Is that even in doubt? Of course it can, and does.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Do you think it can also create a feeling of despair?
Apparently so. That is pretty much how Spiritism came to be, and it shows.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Personally, I think it creates liberty; if frees you from all that afterlife nonsense and allows you to focus on the here and now.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
It clearly can. There are plenty of people who see it exactly in that way. Equally, there are others who see it as depressing and meaningless and plenty who don’t really consider it either way. The same mixture will be true of any view of death.
I think what we take away from how the world seem to be (and how we spin things in our own minds to how we’d prefer them to be) is mostly about our individual characters than what we actually believe. Someone who sees absolute death as affirming life would probably get the same from some belief in an afterlife and someone who sees it as depressing would probably get something more negative form belief in an afterlife.
I so agree. But apparently there are those who fear death to a fault.
If everything is not an illusion then death is final, but if everything is an illusion then death may not be. I accept death, but that does not mean I am convinced of it.
Godel's mathematical Incompleteness Theorem, if correct, shows that reality cannot prove itself to be consistent. I think I have experienced things that do not fit into the physical sciences, things I do not intend to forget or sweep under the rug; and I am not given to drug abuse or on psychotropics. Therefore I do not appeal to physical science to answer whether reality is an illusion, which is what this topic really is about. I accept death but not reality. Death certainly seems real, but reality does not. Therefore I cannot conclude absolutely about the nature of death.
Godel's mathematical Incompleteness Theorem, if correct, shows that reality cannot prove itself to be consistent. I think I have experienced things that do not fit into the physical sciences, things I do not intend to forget or sweep under the rug; and I am not given to drug abuse or on psychotropics. Therefore I do not appeal to physical science to answer whether reality is an illusion, which is what this topic really is about. I accept death but not reality. Death certainly seems real, but reality does not. Therefore I cannot conclude absolutely about the nature of death.
allfoak
Alchemist
What difference does it make if I decide that I want to be a serial killer if I don't have to take responsibility for it ?
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Thinking outside one's own box is hard.
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
If you can just up and decide you want to be a serial killer then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Why wouldn't you take responsibility for it?
AFAIK, the only worldviews that hold that serial killers don't have to take responsibility for their crimes are religions that preach forgiveness of sins and afterlives:
- don't worry about yourself. If you say the right words or believe the right thing, you won't be punished.
- don't worry about your victims. They're in a better place now, so they're actually better off because you killed them.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
no.....it just drives then to satisfy any animal urging
seriously.....without the spirit in the lead......
you are an animal