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Why would they do that? Freedom of religion is one of the first things they declared as a basic, fundamental human right.It is when the governments around the world give their power and authority to the United Nations and it turns upon and destroys religion earthwide.
Why would they do that? Freedom of religion is one of the first things they declared as a basic, fundamental human right.
I've read it--many times--so good, typical Christian assumption.To someone that doesn't read the Bible it may sound foolish as well.
Three issues.A good question. To someone that doesn't read the Bible it may sound foolish as well. In fact the religions themselves don't consider themselves in any danger. They say "I sit a queen...I shall never see mourning."
But Bible prophecy shows us that the turning upon religion is a thought that God puts into the hearts of the world's leaders at his time to execute justice on the nations. He will start with religions that claim to serve him. And in God's name that they claim to represent have committed untold acts of atrocity upon human society. God says that their involvement in the world's political arena and the wars of this world have made her an enemy of God, and a spiritual prostitute:
(James 4:4) Adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is making himself an enemy of God.
(Revelation 17:1, 2) . . .One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me: “Come, I will show you the judgment on the great prostitute who sits on many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and earth’s inhabitants were made drunk with the wine of her sexual immorality.”
God says that found within false religion is the blood of every human ever slaughtered, especially that of the prophets and the holy ones:
(Revelation 18:24) . . .Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”
So the destruction of religion while it may appear at that time to be a human idea is really the idea of God:
(Revelation 17:17, 18) . . .For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes, to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast, until the words of God will have been accomplished.
It may sound like an unreality and something that will never occur, but it will come about because Jehovah God who has judged religion is strong:
(Revelation 18:8) . . .That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.
When that time arrives it will be suddenly and without warning. The nations will be crying out peace and security, and it appears that the religious leaders of the world will go along with their false cry, giving the people of the world a false sense of security but that is when sudden destruction will befall her:
(1 Thessalonians 5:2, 3) . . .For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.
The religions of the world will not explain these deep Bible prophecies to you, or explain the urgency of getting out of her if you are a still part of her. Because these prophecies are about her she is not going to expose herself. But Jehovah's people are warning the people:
(Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.
Even this very day many of the so-called Christians who claim to worship the God of the Bible are even now celebrating pagan holidays that worship demons. They ignore this warning:
(1 Corinthians 10:20-22) . . .what the nations sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers with the demons. 21 You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons. 22 Or ‘are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy’? We are not stronger than he is, are we?
I am sorry to say that Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world....Jesus' prophecy clearly shows us that the anointed are still on earth through the great tribulation. Jesus says that "immediately after the tribulation" of those days Jesus will arrive.....
Christians have also been waiting for two thousand years for Jesus to return, even though Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world, and even though there is not even one Bible verse wherein Jesus promised to return.Christians have been saying such things for so long now. What makes your claim any different? For two thousand years they've been warning of a pending and sure to be soon end that doesn't happen.
I've read it--many times--so good, typical Christian assumption.
Three issues.
One, the Book of Revalations. There are numerous interpretations of it, many of them not thinking it prophecy to come. Many of them, and having more scholarly support, see this as a first century commentary to the early churches about Rome.
Book of Revelation - Wikipedia
Two, Paul should be rejected as Jesus said there would be those coming after him who claim to speak to him but pay them no heed for they are false prophets.
Three, none of that suggests this hypothetical situation refers to the UN.
And a fourth bonus issue:
Christians have been saying such things for so long now. What makes your claim any different? For two thousand years they've been warning of a pending and sure to be soon end that doesn't happen.
Christians have been saying such things for so long now. What makes your claim any different? For two thousand years they've been warning of a pending and sure to be soon end that doesn't happen.
Not really.Christians have also been waiting for two thousand years for Jesus to return, even though Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world, and even though there is not even one Bible verse wherein Jesus promised to return.
Doesn't that seem rather strange to you?
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
Yeah. It refers to events then. Not the UN or today.Revelation was given by Jesus to the apostle John exiled on the island of Patmos at the end of the first century, around 92 C. E. Right after John's death the great apostasy that was foretold commenced
That's another thread, but I assure Paul does often contradict Jesus.There is nothing in Paul's words that are in disagreement with the rest of God's inspired words found in the Bible. God's spirit itself affirmed that Paul was writing under inspiration.
I am sorry to say that Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world....
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
How do you explain those verses? Moreover, how you do explanation the fact that there are no verses in the New Testament wherein Jesus says He is going to return to earth, not one single verse? What does that say to those who are still awaiting His return?
Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
Yeah. It refers to events then
Jesus was the Son of Man, but the return of the Son of Man in the clouds of heaven was not going to be the same man Jesus.Not really.
Those are some interesting points, by the way. Something I've never considered before, having been taught to take for granted Son of Man refers to Jesus.
I agree that Jesus is in heaven in a spiritual body, but I do not believe that Jesus had any plans to do anything in the future that involves earth, and there is nothing in the Bible that says that He will..Jesus finished the work he came to do which is to preach the good news of God's kingdom and to give up his life as a ransom sacrifice for everyone exercising faith in him to have everlasting life and not be destroyed. That has nothing to do with what he was to do in the future.
Jesus returned to heaven, and there he is and will stay. His return is an invisible spirit presence. He will not appear in the flesh on earth, as he was resurrected in an immortal spirit body and no man can see him anymore because he resides in light far too bright for us:
(1 Timothy 6:15, 16) . . .He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords, 16 the one alone having immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. . . .
I believe that all these verses are about Baha'u'llah, who I believe was the return of the Christ Spirit and the return of the Son of Man in the clouds. I just explained that in this post #14 Trailblazer, 10 minutes ago , so there is no need for me to repeat myself.When Jesus returns to smash the kingdoms of this earth to pieces that will also be from heaven. As even he said:
(Matthew 24:27, 28) . . .For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
His return will be like lightning flashing across the sky from the east to the west. It will be earthwide from heaven in an instant. It will be visible to all mankind because of the sign of the son of man that will appear in heaven.
Again we are told that he will return, not to the earth but on the clouds of heaven:
(Matthew 24:30) . . .and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
You ask who is the son of man?
He is none other than the one that receives the kingdom from Jehovah God in Daniel's vision:
(Daniel 7:13, 14) 13 “I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
But yet Jesus did say this:Jesus earned the title "son of man" when he came to earth and emptied he prehuman spirit body to be born a human. You can actually see my previous post to you about that.
I agree that Jesus had preexistence in the spiritual world before He was born into this world, but I do not believe that the same Jesus is going to literally return in the clouds.@Trailblazer
Jesus' return will be on the clouds of heavens in that it will be an invisible presence. Just as when the sun is on the clouds you cannot see it.
Jesus earned the title "son of man" when he came to earth and emptied his prehuman spirit body to be born a human. You can actually see my previous post to you about that.
But yet Jesus did say this:
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. (Luke 9:26)
It seems Jesus is referring to someone else who will come in his own glory, and his Father's. Not "my," as Jesus often said such as in John 14:6.
Jesus never referred to Himself as the Son of man who would return in the clouds, Jesus always spoke in the third person. Christians just assumed he was talking about Himself because Jesus was the Son of man.But yet Jesus did say this:
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. (Luke 9:26)
It seems Jesus is referring to someone else who will come in his own glory, and his Father's. Not "my," as Jesus often said such as in John 14:6.