Oeste
Well-Known Member
Thankyou for your extended reply.
One point. In the above paragraph you mention that 'God' assures us...... do you mean 'God' or do you 'mean 'Jesus'?
No difference. Jesus is man as Son of Man, and God, as Son of God. The verse I had in mind was Luke 21:33.
It's amazing.
When Trinitarians on this thread write huge multi paragraph posts in their attempts to prove that the Galilean Handworker Yeshua BarYosef is in fact God, not once are they able to write one sentence from the Gospels where Yeshua (Jesus) actually said 'I am God'.
This is a common Unitarian lament. Perhaps I can answer best with a story:
A defendant is standing before a judge on a dangerousness hearing. To the left is his lawyer and to the right the prosecutor. The question before the judge is whether the defendant, who has been accused of murder, should be remanded on bail. The defendant’s lawyer is a Unitarian.
The prosecutor objects to bail. “Remand to custody your honor. The defendant admitted to two police officers that he spied the victim getting into her car. This led to a heated argument whereupon he shot the victim six times, stabbed her three times, clubbed her on the head with a baseball bat and threw her body off a bridge. The entire event was seen by several witnesses who are willing to testify to the whole thing.”
The judge, looks expectantly to the defendant’s lawyer. “And what say you?”
“The defendant seeks remand on personal recognizance your honor.”
The judge is taken aback. “Personal recognizance?! That’s a bit much, don’t you think? These are serious charges of which your client has apparently confessed to,"
“True,” says the lawyer, “ but now my client has been charged with murder, and not once did he ever admit to that!”
The prosecutor objects to bail. “Remand to custody your honor. The defendant admitted to two police officers that he spied the victim getting into her car. This led to a heated argument whereupon he shot the victim six times, stabbed her three times, clubbed her on the head with a baseball bat and threw her body off a bridge. The entire event was seen by several witnesses who are willing to testify to the whole thing.”
The judge, looks expectantly to the defendant’s lawyer. “And what say you?”
“The defendant seeks remand on personal recognizance your honor.”
The judge is taken aback. “Personal recognizance?! That’s a bit much, don’t you think? These are serious charges of which your client has apparently confessed to,"
“True,” says the lawyer, “ but now my client has been charged with murder, and not once did he ever admit to that!”
Trinitarians do not claim they have “proof” Jesus is God, we simply claim their is overwhelming evidence he is. Of course there will be those view things differently, but as I've mentioned before, it just seems that Unitarians hold Trinitarians to an extremely high standard of evidence, and that standard seems to be much higher than the one they raise for their own.