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MNoBody
Well-Known Member
darn penguins
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Won't and basically can't happen.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think it's much more a drift in the direction of the fascism that caused so much harm in Europe and elsewhere.
It is so bizarre that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" support Trump, who is neither a fiscal conservative, nor a political conservative, nor a social conservative. Nor does it seem to bother them that Trump literally thumbs his nose at the Constitution on a regular basis. Nor does his lies, his corruption, his racism, his hedonism, etc.seem to bother them. And yet we're supposedly a "Christian country"?
As I see the conversation between Trump & the reporter, the context
was plague mitigation measures.
Setting aside partisan politics, there is a case to be made for a national
authority to prevent the spread of infection & death nationwide.
This is because lax restrictions in one state could increase infection
in other states.
As for the question of total control, that's a legal point far above my
pay grade. But I'm not a fan of such federal power over the states.
It should be greatly limited.
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Thoughtful conservatives have lined up against him in droves. They aren't the big names in conservatism these days, but nearly all have come out against Trump.
I think it's much more a drift in the direction of the fascism that caused so much harm in Europe and elsewhere.
It is so bizarre that so many self-proclaimed "conservatives" support Trump, who is neither a fiscal conservative, nor a political conservative, nor a social conservative. Nor does it seem to bother them that Trump literally thumbs his nose at the Constitution on a regular basis. Nor does his lies, his corruption, his racism, his hedonism, etc.seem to bother them. And yet we're supposedly a "Christian country"?
The conservatives who get all the attention are conservatives in the mold of Rush Limbaugh, not Edmund Burke. The conservatives who do not get as much attention as the Limbaugh conservatives are the ones who support the Constitution and the best values and traditions of America.
Jane Boswell
Member
The inverse principle: the more you americans toil to pontificate about its ills and point predictable fingers, the more you rot in an unsympathetic realm. This will of course take years for it to sink in for you, at the detriment of the earth.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Of course, they're dismissed as traitorous "RINO"s (republican in name only).
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I agree it should not happen, however changing the Constitution is just a question of electoral math. So it could happen.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Hard to call it a nation of liberty with the Nanny State alive and well. Classic Pot calling the kettle black genius. :OpThe presidency isn't an autocracy, dumdum.
Separation of powers - Wikipedia
This is supposed to be a nation of liberty, but of course Trumpers would throw that away without a thought.
It might surprise you, but I actually disagree with what Trump said. However in time of national emergency the president does have a lot more power than you might think. It's kind of bizarre now that the left are now proponents of states rights all of a sudden simply because Trump wants to reopen the national economy and override the shut-ins against respective governor's wishes who want to still keep the clamps on their states.
The thing is Trump is wrong in respect to what he had said, and have since revised what he meant by stating he'll be working with state governors rather than overriding state-level policies.
Exactly. The new radicals have the 'bully pulpits'. Conservative talk radio, Fox, the presidency, etc.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What makes something a "nanny state"? Public roads/schools/libraries, etc? Laws that protect you and your rights from businesses that would cheat or exploit you?
When did "the left" oppose states rights? For example, look at cannabis legalization and gay marriage before the supreme court struck down all bans. I suppose the left opposes state rights when it comes to cases of discrimination and inequality, but that would be in the name of liberty, not in opposition to it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It's never easy done, and typically not within a president's terms.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
To put it in the most straightforward terms it would be what is called compulsory legislation.
That's the nanny state.
Tell me, when was the last time the left had passed anything along the lines of incentive-based legislation?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Give some examples of each.
ecco
Veteran Member
How in the world can you listen to this garbage for over an hour? It's sickening enough to have to listen to him berate reporters during an evening news recap.
ecco
Veteran Member
I don't share your optimism.
I didn't believe he would get nominated. Yet he rolled over all other Republican candidates..
I didn't believe many Republicans in Congress would work with him. Yet they all kowtowed and fall over themselves to kiss his ***.
I don't think many people, in 1930, believed Hitler would become god-like to the vast majority of Germans.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Constitutional amendments are too hard to make happen to make them juat happen.