Steve said:
You seem to find Gods word as untrustworthy in regards to its history, you deny some of its clear teachings and implications.
NetDoc said:
It's my humble opinion that many of these "clear teachings" you refer to have no basis in scripture. That "evolution" is false for example. I think you would have to refer to 1st Opinions to find any Biblical reference for it.
If you honestly believe that evolution dosnt interfer with the creation as described in Genesis you have your head in the sand.
Evolution is false acording to the bible because the bible clearly says God created in 6 days and gives the order of creation. Both the time and order evolution disagress with.
Steve said:
So you do believe that ""But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'" - Mark 10:6 I thought you believed in evolution where male and female came way after the beginning of creation.
Also you seemed to imply earlier that the flood was not global, yet the flood is clearly taught as global in the Bible.
NetDoc said:
I don't believe that Genesis tells us HOW God made man (or woman). If you baked a cake, you would go to the store, buy the ingredients, mix them up, put them in the oven, time them carefully, and walla: you have "created" a cake. That you used many steps does not stop you from having CREATED that cake. Could you have used a magic wand? Possibly, but either way, the cake was created. Evolution is nothing more than a tool: a tool that God created and that you have NO RIGHT to tell him that he can't use it! Really. Don't sweat the small stuff, and evolution is indeed "small stuff" in the face of eternity.
Genesis does tell us how he made man and woman! eg adams rib.
Evolution may well be a tool that God could have used but it wouldnt make sense that he would use somthing that if we are to believe it dosnt really need him, not to mention all the death and suffering which God must have called "very good".
Whats more though is that i have no right to tell him that he did use death and desease to create, instead i will believe what his says about the order and time of his creation.
You may regard it as small stuff but i dont, Christ believed Genesis - and in light of eternity id like to be able to say i was open to the bibles clear teachings this side of Christs return.
Steve said:
Its real simple, God made the land animals on day 6, about 6000 years ago. Therefore the layers cant be the result of millions of years and also there is much evidence supporting that they were instead layed down together and arnt vast ages apart.
NetDoc said:
Is it?
II Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. NIV
God created time: he is certainly not bound by it! Much of what he inspired man to write was to tell WHO was responsible: not as a scientific tome. No one will go to hell because they believed in "demon evolution". Nope, they will choose to go by their own indifference. Unfortunately, Satan has convinced you to draw a line in the sand that God never intended. You have put up a STUMBLING BLOCK that was never intended to be constructed. Satan is happy about this, but I don't think God is! Go figure!
2 Peter 3:8 simply tells us that God is outside of time, it has nothing to do with Creation and the time God told us he made things, i really think people are getting desperate when they try and use this. Did evolution take 6000 years? is that your case? The days in Genesis are qualified with a number and "morning" and "evening" - God made it preety clear what he was trying to tell us, not only that but our week is based on it, eg the sabath day because he rested on the 7th day - in the ten commandments
Steve said:
You "refuse to ADD OR SUBTRACT from it" - your kidding right? You seem to have no problem at all adding millions of years of death/suffering etc befor sin, somthing clearly not taught in the bible. You have no problem adding that the flood wasnt global, you have no problem claiming that God used survival of the fitest/death etc to create when instead he created all in 6 days. I believe the bible for what it says, you instead distort it and add serious implications regarding Gods character and the results of our rebellion.
NetDoc said:
Again, please show me a verse that tells us that evolution is anathema! Just one!
Evoltion is not compatible with the bible! its not hard to see, i gave reasons based on scripture above, you want more?
NetDoc said:
Again, just show me ONE passage that decries evolution. Just one!
Already done it - ""But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'" - Mark 10:6
You want more, theres plenty. How bout the first few chapters of Genesis?
NetDoc said:
People who hate God may use evolution to decry God, but evolution never states just WHO started the whole thing. Let me share two passages from Timothy:
I Timothy 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer 4 nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's workwhich is by faith. 5 The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6 Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm. NIV
I Timothy 6:3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
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Avoid the controversies of science, my friend. They are the Devil's trap to distract you from persuing righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. The gospel is about LOVE not the debunking of any scientific theory.
Regarding I Timothy 1:3 maybe you should read it all -
command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's workwhich is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
You believe God used death and disease to create his "very good" creation, somthing the bible clearly teaches against.
Also the Gospel is about
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Consider what luther said.
When Moses writes that God created heaven and earth and whatever is in them in six days, then let this period continue to have been six days, and do not venture to devise any comment according to which six days were one day. But, if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six days, then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are.