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Featured Sunlight is not Daylight

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by three1, May 6, 2020.

  1. three1

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    I believe that the Bible does not contradict itself, and when we read that light was created before the sun, then the only logical explanation is that sunlight is not daylight.
     
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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    So where does daylight come from?

    Surely there is not a hidden, giant, sun shaped lightbulb out there somewhere?

    Daylight is sunlight.

    And may i add

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  3. SalixIncendium

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    In the Bible, when did God create the sun? Can you please point to the verse?
     
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    The only logical explanation? What about the bible writers getting it wrong as they had no equipment to study these things?

    Furthermore the Universe is not a closed system, so his experiments with Neon gases is absolutely rubbish.

    The classic neon lamp is made of a glass tube containing a mixture of neon (99.5%) and argon gas. There are two electrodes, one positive, and the other negative. Voltage rises and an arc is struck between. Argon gas is used in other fluorescents as well because of a lower striking temperature. After the argon strikes an arc the neon gas is warmed and current is able to flow through the neon gas, ionizing more atoms as the current rises. A ballast is necessary to limit the current since resistance will continue to drop as current rises.

    Wouldn't it be pretty easy to measure and proof, if the concentration were 99.5%? and would we even be able to survive under such conditions?

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    Neon = 0.0018%? and Argon = 0.93%?

    How do these people come up with these things, do they just see something that reminds them of something else, and then they make a video?
     
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  5. exchemist

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    The bible contradicts itself blatantly, if you insist on reading it literally. For instance the order of events in Genesis 2 contradicts those of Genesis 1.The way to resolve this is to do what the early church did and recognise that these are two somewhat different allegories, each stressing different aspects.

    If you try to read it scientifically it gets even worse. It is nonsense, for example, to speak of day and night before the creation of the sun.

    But I'm starting to sense something a bit medical here, so perhaps I'd better stop.
     
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  6. gnostic

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    You cannot have separation of day and night, and morning and evening (Genesis 1:4) without sun, and there are 3 days before creation of sun, moon and stars on the 4th day of creation.

    It also say that land was created (3rd day) before the sun, moon and stars, which also disagree with science. And land vegetation were created before the sun, moon and stars, which again is wrong.

    Fishes and other marine life created at the same time as birds, on 5th day and bids being created before land animal on the 6th day - wrong and wrong.

    Earth existing and created before the stars...guess what, three1? Genesis 1 is again wrong. All modern physical cosmological models, including the Big Bang theory tell us that our Sun have only been around less than 5 billion years old.

    There are many white dwarf stars near our Sun, and white dwarf stars tell us there are older stars than the Sun.
     
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  7. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    YOu know, people like you give religious people like me a bad name. Genesis is one of the books of the Torah, THE religious text of my people. But I don't feel the need to dismiss science and all its evidence in order to be a believer. The evidence for a spheroid earth that orbits the sun is absolutely overwhelming. I don't have the patience for. Perhaps others here have time for your lack of reason.
     
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  8. Native

    Native Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist

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    If anything seems to be illogical and wrong, it most likely is the historic and modern perception and interpretation of the ancient scripts.

    The Extend of the Ancient Creation Stories
    Our ancestors didn´t speak of the creation of the entire Universe, but "just" what they could observe with their physical and spiritual senses. That includes of course the seasonal changes on the Earth, the Sun, Moon, 4-5 Planets, Stars, Star Constellations and the contours of the Milky Way.

    The ancient Story of Creation is mostly understood as the creation of the Universe, but this is wrong as the ancient general perception of the creation is that it is cyclical and eternal.

    The Modern Story of Creation
    Speaks of the creation of the entire Universe and the specific creation of the Solar System goes shortly: "A cosmic cloud of dust and gas "collapsed gravitationally" and made the Sun from where the planets were formed". That is: A random cloud of gases and dust becomes a "fluent" Star and firm Planets.

    This cosmological description of formation fits somewhat to the ancient Stories of Creation, except these deals with the creation of the Milky Way AND the Solar System. They connect the creation of the Solar System with the creation of the Milky Way, a much more logical explanation compared to the modern one.

    The Ancient Creation Stories
    Again, the stories begin with an unordered (chaotic) fluent cosmic cloud which is described as "cosmic watery rivers" which comes together in a swirling motion and when heated up it creates a central LIGHT which forms the first firm matters, i.e. "soil or mud".

    Here we have the prime mythical/cosmological mention of a LIGHT and it is NOT the Sun, but the central LIGHT in the Milky Way.

    This mythical interpretation and description also explains the scholarly interpretative problem of "the two time creation of Earth" as the mythical/biblical terms of "soil or mud" don´t refer to the Earth itself, but to the very basic principles of creation of firm matter as described above.

    This scholarly interpretative confusion derives from a scholarly lack of mythical, astronomical and cosmological insight.

    After this prime creation in the Milky Way center, the ancient Stories of Creation goes on with the creation of the Solar System, which is thought to be formed in the Milky Way center and leaves this center thus moving out in the galactic surroundings. We now have TWO lights of creation, the prime Light of the central Milky Way and the LIGHT of the Sun which creates day and night because of the rotation of the Earth.

    In biblical terms, this formative outgoing motion of the Solar System from the galactic center is described as "the expulsion out of the Garden of Eden" where the creation began in the galactic center, and this biblical description has NOTHING to do with a divine revenge because of a "human sin". It´s a simple mytho-cosmological explanation of the creation itself. It is a Cosmogonical Explanation of the creation.

    Unfortunately the biblical description has lost lots of other specific information of the creation because of the de-mythification where symbols were abandoned, leaving the "one and only patriarchal God" on the cosmic scenario.

    In most of the other cultural Stories of Creation, lots of both male and female prime deities are described and connected to Milky Way creation, but it will be in another reply to deal with this.

    In the meantime, these links can be studied:
    Creation Stories
    List of Creation Myths
    Comparative Religion
    Comparative Mythology
    Comparative Mythology Categories


    Regards and Enjoy :)
    Native
     
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    It is not the book of your people, it is the book of every man who serves God.
    These people also show you "evidence" that man is a hominid, do you believe that too?
     
  10. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    And?

    Also, why did you choose not to respond to post #6 by @gnostic ?
     
  11. three1

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    So you believe that man who is created in the image of God is a further development of a ape in other words an animal?
    For God nothing is impossible and the Bible does not contradict itself.
    I believe what the Bible says.
     
  12. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    That's true and our sun could not have been at the beginning of the universe contrary to the book of Genesis.

    It's another proof that it is completely a man-made work of fiction.
     
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  13. Jayhawker Soule

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    See in our image, after our likeness - and able to research responsibly

    Man is a hominid.

    L'shalom ...
     
  14. three1

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    Not really.
    After God created Adam, he said, "It is not good that man is alone; I will make him a help that is equal to him."
    A help that equals him, so this does not mean the animals, but Eve, this is clearly confirmed in Genesis 2:20. After this passage it is then written that God had created the animals: "And God had created all the animals... and brought them to Adam".
    So the animals were already created, they were created before Adam. This is therefore not a contradiction.
     
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    But in Genesis 2, Man is created before the animals and birds, whereas in Genesis 1 it is the other way round.
     
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    I explained it to you, and you write the same thing to me?
     
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    No it is a proof of misunderstood myths.
    Read my reply above here at
    #8Native, Today at 10:16 AM
     
  19. Brickjectivity

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    HI! Welcome to RF. I have a suggestion for you about where to post this sort of thread. Its unclear what assumptions you wish to debate. If you wish to assume that the Bible has no contradictions and wish for all argument to assume the same you will need to start such a thread in the area marked 'Same faith debates' and specify in the title "Only those who agree that Bible is inerrant." Then staff will support your choice to have a conversation within that context. Your thread has been posted in a more general area of the site, and (as you can see) your assumptions are being challenged and your intended discussion about light and day is getting little attention. To avoid confusion and to be able to stick to your intended topic you'll need to be more specific.
     
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    You got it wrong. Genesis 2:18-20 says the animals and birds were made after Adam, so that he would not be alone, but were not suitable companions.
     
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