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Space/time is a 2 dimensional membrane that spreads in all directions

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Everything has always existed in space/time. Space/time is always trying to revert back to 2 dimensions. Everything is always changing because of the force space/time exerts on the multiple dimensions forcing them back in to two dimensions.

Think of a flat balloon place a bomb in the middle of it and set it off. The balloon is not allowed to break and must always revert back to normal. What would happen with the explosion. It would spread out through out the balloon combining in different ways. It would use up all its energy and the matter would eventually collapse back on itself and if the pressure keep up on the matter it would eventually explode again due to the pressure.

This is the cycle that keeps happening with our universe. Nothing was ever created it all existed but in different forms. The energy and force to combine dimensions keeps changing everything and will continue to change everything until the explosive force and reverting force dissipate. The explosive force will eventually stop and the reverting force will eventually pull everything back together and force the explosion again.

A Black hole would be the low spot of the Galaxy where matter is pulled to and condensed to a smallest point.
Gravity would only exist around the biggest objects because the smaller objects would be operating in the dimensional space around the bigger objects.
Potential is caused by the force of 2 dimensions on multiple dimensions.

Thoughts
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Everything has always existed in space/time. Space/time is always trying to revert back to 2 dimensions. Everything is always changing because of the force space/time exerts on the multiple dimensions forcing them back in to two dimensions.

Think of a flat balloon place a bomb in the middle of it and set it off. The balloon is not allowed to break and must always revert back to normal. What would happen with the explosion. It would spread out through out the balloon combining in different ways. It would use up all its energy and the matter would eventually collapse back on itself and if the pressure keep up on the matter it would eventually explode again due to the pressure.

This is the cycle that keeps happening with our universe. Nothing was ever created it all existed but in different forms. The energy and force to combine dimensions keeps changing everything and will continue to change everything until the explosive force and reverting force dissipate. The explosive force will eventually stop and the reverting force will eventually pull everything back together and force the explosion again.

A Black hole would be the low spot of the Galaxy where matter is pulled to and condensed to a smallest point.
Gravity would only exist around the biggest objects because the smaller objects would be operating in the dimensional space around the bigger objects.
Potential is caused by the force of 2 dimensions on multiple dimensions.

Thoughts


There was no time before the Big Bang because time did not exist before the formation of space-time associated with the Big Bang... time diverged from a three state dimension - as we perceive time now - after the Universe was at the age of the Planck time. Time gives way to space, such that at first there is only space without time. ....:)

what-we-dont-know-about-the-beginning-of-the-universe-24-638.jpg


Hartle–Hawking state - Wikipedia
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Everything has always existed in space/time. Space/time is always trying to revert back to 2 dimensions. Everything is always changing because of the force space/time exerts on the multiple dimensions forcing them back in to two dimensions.

Think of a flat balloon place a bomb in the middle of it and set it off. The balloon is not allowed to break and must always revert back to normal. What would happen with the explosion. It would spread out through out the balloon combining in different ways. It would use up all its energy and the matter would eventually collapse back on itself and if the pressure keep up on the matter it would eventually explode again due to the pressure.

This is the cycle that keeps happening with our universe. Nothing was ever created it all existed but in different forms. The energy and force to combine dimensions keeps changing everything and will continue to change everything until the explosive force and reverting force dissipate. The explosive force will eventually stop and the reverting force will eventually pull everything back together and force the explosion again.

A Black hole would be the low spot of the Galaxy where matter is pulled to and condensed to a smallest point.
Gravity would only exist around the biggest objects because the smaller objects would be operating in the dimensional space around the bigger objects.
Potential is caused by the force of 2 dimensions on multiple dimensions.

Thoughts

Citations please
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
There was no time before the Big Bang because time did not exist before the formation of space-time associated with the Big Bang... time diverged from a three state dimension - as we perceive time now - after the Universe was at the age of the Planck time. Time gives way to space, such that at first there is only space without time. ....:)

what-we-dont-know-about-the-beginning-of-the-universe-24-638.jpg
Don't agree, Look at your picture, there would be no way to escape from the bottom. You could only escape from the top.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Don't agree, Look at your picture, there would be no way to escape from the bottom. You could only escape from the top.

At point zero ( near cosmic singularity ), there'd have been no initial boundaries in time or space from where to have had escaped. Right?
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Everything has always existed in space/time. Space/time is always trying to revert back to 2 dimensions. Everything is always changing because of the force space/time exerts on the multiple dimensions forcing them back in to two dimensions.

Think of a flat balloon place a bomb in the middle of it and set it off. The balloon is not allowed to break and must always revert back to normal. What would happen with the explosion. It would spread out through out the balloon combining in different ways. It would use up all its energy and the matter would eventually collapse back on itself and if the pressure keep up on the matter it would eventually explode again due to the pressure.

This is the cycle that keeps happening with our universe. Nothing was ever created it all existed but in different forms. The energy and force to combine dimensions keeps changing everything and will continue to change everything until the explosive force and reverting force dissipate. The explosive force will eventually stop and the reverting force will eventually pull everything back together and force the explosion again.

A Black hole would be the low spot of the Galaxy where matter is pulled to and condensed to a smallest point.
Gravity would only exist around the biggest objects because the smaller objects would be operating in the dimensional space around the bigger objects.
Potential is caused by the force of 2 dimensions on multiple dimensions.

Thoughts
Uh, I don´t think so.

The universe and everything in it, including time, space and space/ time was created at the Big Bang.

If anything, including the singularity existed before the bang is unknowable.

Dark energy and the lack of sufficient mass in the universe will ensure that it expands till all the energy is gone, and it dies, dead galaxies drifting further and further apart.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Uh, I don´t think so.

The universe and everything in it, including time, space and space/ time was created at the Big Bang.

If anything, including the singularity existed before the bang is unknowable.

Dark energy and the lack of sufficient mass in the universe will ensure that it expands till all the energy is gone, and it dies, dead galaxies drifting further and further apart.

Unfortunately, you are likely correct. The scientific consensus is our universe overall has no curvature, meaning it's globally shaped "flat', hence, our universe will expand forever.

"In the special case of phantom dark energy, which has even more negative pressure than a simple cosmological constant, the density of dark energy increases with time, causing the rate of acceleration to increase, leading to a steady increase in the Hubble constant. As a result, all material objects in the universe, starting with galaxies and eventually (in a finite time) all forms, no matter how small, will disintegrate into unbound elementary particles and radiation, ripped apart by the phantom energy force and shooting apart from each other. The end state of the universe is a singularity, as the dark energy density and expansion rate becomes infinite." ...:(

Ultimate fate of the universe - Wikipedia
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Everything has always existed in space/time. Space/time is always trying to revert back to 2 dimensions. Everything is always changing because of the force space/time exerts on the multiple dimensions forcing them back in to two dimensions.

Think of a flat balloon place a bomb in the middle of it and set it off. The balloon is not allowed to break and must always revert back to normal. What would happen with the explosion. It would spread out through out the balloon combining in different ways. It would use up all its energy and the matter would eventually collapse back on itself and if the pressure keep up on the matter it would eventually explode again due to the pressure.

This is the cycle that keeps happening with our universe. Nothing was ever created it all existed but in different forms. The energy and force to combine dimensions keeps changing everything and will continue to change everything until the explosive force and reverting force dissipate. The explosive force will eventually stop and the reverting force will eventually pull everything back together and force the explosion again.

A Black hole would be the low spot of the Galaxy where matter is pulled to and condensed to a smallest point.
Gravity would only exist around the biggest objects because the smaller objects would be operating in the dimensional space around the bigger objects.
Potential is caused by the force of 2 dimensions on multiple dimensions.

Thoughts
Maybe. There are many theories.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Uh, I don´t think so.

The universe and everything in it, including time, space and space/ time was created at the Big Bang.

If anything, including the singularity existed before the bang is unknowable.

Dark energy and the lack of sufficient mass in the universe will ensure that it expands till all the energy is gone, and it dies, dead galaxies drifting further and further apart.

If it is unknowable scientifically why am I wrong. Dark energy could actually be the the force of space/time forcing the dimensions to collapse.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
At point zero ( near cosmic singularity ), there'd have been no initial boundaries in time or space from where to have had escaped. Right?

Space/time would still exist as a 2 dimensional thing trying to crush the remaining matter into 2 dimensions at some point the Matter/energy is going to explode again creating the cosmic singularity again within space/time.

We can not escape space/time only stretch it.

Best picture I can find to show how it might work(not exact)
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-medi...l_progressive,q_80,w_800/18s39wyfecdjbjpg.jpg

If space time is flat and we are sitting in it why aren't there differences between top and bottom of the planet.
http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/72/ESA_LISA-Pathfinder_spacetime_curvature_above_orig.jpg
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Ok then in that case i have no thoughts on your personal theory

Why, science allows for personal theories to be debated. Do you have a scientific proof to disprove it. It can work with most current theory and provide an explanation for Dark energy.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Why, science allows for personal theories to be debated. Do you have a scientific proof to disprove it. It can work with most current theory and provide an explanation for Dark energy.

String theory tells us there are at least 10 dimensions
M theory 11

But in the physical world general relativity says we live in 3 dimensions with time as a fourth.

Considering we and everything around us is not flat but 3 dimensional and we exist in space and time i would suggest GR is right.

Then we get to what happened before the bb. If you can provide an answer to that i will come an applaud at the Nobel prize ceremony held in your honour.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Space/time would still exist as a 2 dimensional thing trying to crush the remaining matter into 2 dimensions at some point the Matter/energy is going to explode again creating the cosmic singularity again within space/time.

We can not escape space/time only stretch it.

Best picture I can find to show how it might work(not exact)
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-medi...l_progressive,q_80,w_800/18s39wyfecdjbjpg.jpg

If space time is flat and we are sitting in it why aren't there differences between top and bottom of the planet.
http://sci.esa.int/science-e-media/img/72/ESA_LISA-Pathfinder_spacetime_curvature_above_orig.jpg

There are pockets of curved space; however, space is flat on a cosmic scale.

"According to Einstein’s theory of general relativity, massive objects warp the space-time around them, and the effect a warp has on objects is what we call gravity. So, locally, space-time is curved around every object with mass."

"Mass also has an effect on the overall geometry of the universe. The density of matter and energy in the universe determines whether the universe is open, closed, or flat. If the density is equal to the critical density, then the universe has zero curvature; it is flat. You can imagine a flat universe like a sheet of paper that extends infinitely in all directions. A universe with density greater than the critical density has positive curvature, creating a closed universe that can be imagined like the surface of a sphere. And if the universe’s density is less than the critical density, then the universe is open and has negative curvature, like the surface of a saddle."

"Measurements from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) have shown the observable universe to have a density very close to the critical density (within a 0.4% margin of error). Of course, the observable universe may be many orders of magnitude smaller than the whole universe. But the part of the universe we can observe appears to be fairly flat."

Curvature of Space | Is space flat or curved?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Uh, I don´t think so.

The universe and everything in it, including time, space and space/ time was created at the Big Bang.

If anything, including the singularity existed before the bang is unknowable.

Dark energy and the lack of sufficient mass in the universe will ensure that it expands till all the energy is gone, and it dies, dead galaxies drifting further and further apart.


String theory tells us there are at least 10 dimensions
M theory 11

But in the physical world general relativity says we live in 3 dimensions with time as a fourth.

Considering we and everything around us is not flat but 3 dimensional and we exist in space and time i would suggest GR is right.

Then we get to what happened before the bb. If you can provide an answer to that i will come an applaud at the Nobel prize ceremony held in your honour.


"...Professor Stephen Hawking's final theory on the origin of the universe, which he worked on in collaboration with Professor Thomas Hertog from KU Leuven, has been published in the Journal of High Energy Physics.

The theory of eternal inflation that Hawking and Hertog put forward is based on string theory: a branch of theoretical physics that attempts to reconcile gravity and general relativity with quantum physics, in part by describing the fundamental constituents of the universe as tiny vibrating strings. Their approach uses the string theory concept of holography, which postulates that the universe is a large and complex hologram: physical reality in certain 3-D spaces can be mathematically reduced to 2-D projections on a surface.

Hawking and Hertog developed a variation of this concept of holography to project out the time dimension in eternal inflation. This enabled them to describe eternal inflation without having to rely on Einstein' theory. In the new theory, eternal inflation is reduced to a timeless state defined on a spatial surface at the beginning of time.

"When we trace the evolution of our universe backwards in time, at some point we arrive at the threshold of eternal inflation, where our familiar notion of time ceases to have any meaning," said Hertog.

Hawking's earlier 'no boundary theory' predicted that if you go back in time to the beginning of the universe, the universe shrinks and closes off like a sphere, but this new theory represents a step away from the earlier work. "Now we're saying that there is a boundary in our past," said Hertog.

Hertog and Hawking used their new theory to derive more reliable predictions about the global structure of the universe. They predicted the universe that emerges from eternal inflation on the past boundary is finite and far simpler than the infinite fractal structure predicted by the old theory of eternal inflation.

Their results, if confirmed by further work, would have far-reaching implications for the multiverse paradigm. "We are not down to a single, unique universe, but our findings imply a significant reduction of the multiverse, to a much smaller range of possible universes," said Hawking.

This makes the theory more predictive and testable.

Hertog now plans to study the implications of the new theory on smaller scales that are within reach of our space telescopes. He believes that primordial gravitational waves – ripples in space-time – generated at the exit from eternal inflation constitute the most promising "smoking gun" to test the model. The expansion of our universe since the beginning means such gravitational waves would have very long wavelengths, outside the range of the current LIGO detectors. But they might be heard by the planned European space-based gravitational wave observatory, LISA, or seen in future experiments measuring the cosmic microwave background...."

Taming the multiverse—Stephen Hawking's final theory about the big bang
by University of Cambridge

https://phys.org/news/2018-05-multiversestephen-hawking-theory-big.html
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
String theory tells us there are at least 10 dimensions
M theory 11

But in the physical world general relativity says we live in 3 dimensions with time as a fourth.

Considering we and everything around us is not flat but 3 dimensional and we exist in space and time i would suggest GR is right.

Then we get to what happened before the bb. If you can provide an answer to that i will come an applaud at the Nobel prize ceremony held in your honour.

Number of dimension doesn't matter they both include space/time. In my theory space time is trying to compress them.

You would still live in a physical world of 3 dimension or more that was existing inside the 4th dimension of space/time.

Space is considered flat, even though everything around us is not. Large masses disrupt space causing gravity. Neither of these statements is different whether space/time is something we sit on or some thing we sit in. I would argue that being in space/time like a membrane makes more sense.

The big bang was caused after the collapse of the last universe, once all the energy is gone from the bb the membrane forces tries to force all the matter into one dimension at some point the Multi dimensional energy explodes against the one dimensional force causing the bb again.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
There are pockets of curved space; however, space is flat on a cosmic scale.

"According to Einstein’s theory of general relativity, massive objects warp the space-time around them, and the effect a warp has on objects is what we call gravity. So, locally, space-time is curved around every object with mass."

"Mass also has an effect on the overall geometry of the universe. The density of matter and energy in the universe determines whether the universe is open, closed, or flat. If the density is equal to the critical density, then the universe has zero curvature; it is flat. You can imagine a flat universe like a sheet of paper that extends infinitely in all directions. A universe with density greater than the critical density has positive curvature, creating a closed universe that can be imagined like the surface of a sphere. And if the universe’s density is less than the critical density, then the universe is open and has negative curvature, like the surface of a saddle."

"Measurements from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) have shown the observable universe to have a density very close to the critical density (within a 0.4% margin of error). Of course, the observable universe may be many orders of magnitude smaller than the whole universe. But the part of the universe we can observe appears to be fairly flat."

Curvature of Space | Is space flat or curved?

My universe is the same but instead of lead written on top of the paper(which is two dimensional) we are ink that is inserted into the paper
 
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