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Featured So Jesus is not God?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Oeste, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. JerryMyers

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    See what I mean when I said you keep listening to the words of other people and not to the words of Jesus ? Colossians 2:9 came from Paul, not Jesus.
     
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    Paul became a follower of Jesus after he saw him on the road to Damascus when he was living a life of persecuting Christians. Paul had nothing to gain by following Jesus. He went to jail, and he easily could have recanted believing in Jesus but he didn't.
     
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    None of the prophets in the Old Testament said I and the Father are one. They were in unity with God's mission and plans in that they were sent to warm people to repent, similar to what Jesus did, but they never said that they and the Father were one.
     
  4. JerryMyers

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    You sure Paul met the real Jesus on that wilderness road to Damascus ??

    Two red flags that tell us why Paul could not have met the real Jesus but he met an impostor Jesus -

    One, Jesus warned his disciples of deceivers and impostors who will come after he’s gone claiming they are the Messiah/Christ. There’s no record in the Bible of anyone else who came after Jesus was gone claiming he’s the Messiah/Christ EXCEPT that ‘Jesus’ whom Paul met on that wilderness road.

    Two, Jesus said this impostor ‘Jesus’ will deceive many people, even the elects. To deceive many people, especially the elects, you have to be a dominant and highly influential individual, and Paul is such a man and this impostor ‘Jesus’ knew this and he chose Paul so that he can deceive many people through Paul and the rest is history.
     
  5. JerryMyers

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    What is a prophet ? In simple terms, a prophet is one who is chosen and given the authority by God to convey His Message and His truth to the people. To be able to do that, these prophets, whether they said it or not, are one with God, or as Jesus put it, “I and my Father are one”.

    I just don’t understand why you keep believing Jesus is God when Jesus in his prayer to God, said, “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” – John 17:3.

    From what Jesus has said here, it's CRYSTAL CLEAR that there's only ONE TRUE God, AND there's one Jesus Christ who this ONE TRUE God had sent !! So, why are you still ignoring Jesus’ words and denying yourself the eternal life by listening to the words of other people???!!
     
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    That verse is talking about beliefs that refer to there being a Messiah but that Messiah is not a Savior. Beliefs like that include Matreiya and the belief of a political figure Messiah who is not divine, and the view that Jesus will be the Messiah who will declare himself to be a non Christian. The Devil's Messiah


     
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    Every time you cite to an antisemitic website I’m going to call you out on it. There is a difference between disagreement and hate and you keep referencing sites that deal in hate. The simple truth is, if you play with a skunk long enough you eventually.......

    I should point out that this particular website is a cesspool of hate, not directed solely toward Jews. Just one example is its description of Baha’i as coming from the pits of hell. However, I will leave it to the members of the forum who are part of other faith traditions to rise to the defense of those traditions as they deem necessary.
     
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  8. JerryMyers

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    What nonsense are you talking about ???! I am referring to Jesus warning his disciples to be wary of those who will come after he’s gone, claiming to be him and the only person who came and claimed to be the Christ is that imposter ‘Jesus’ whom Paul met on that wilderness road to Damascus. So, stop twisting Jesus’ words into something else !
     
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    Jesus warned against false prophets. Matthew 7:15

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Those are people who deny the divinity of Jesus. The Jesus who people believe in but not in Him being divine is a false Christ. False Christs


     
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    A lot of people believe that there will be a Messiah, but that Messiah is not the Creator and Savior talked about in the Bible. The belief that the Messiah will be a political figure or will tell the Christians that they were were wrong and Jesus will declare himself to be a Muslim are all beliefs that minimize the divinity of the Messiah. There's so much evidence that Jesus is real that it can't be denied, so people will say that he was a good man, a prophet or even the Messiah, but not God. People are okay with believing in Jesus as long as they don't have to believe that they are sinners who need a Savior.
     
  11. JerryMyers

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    False prophets got nothing to do with Jesus. False prophets have been around throughout the Ages. Jesus knew this and that’s why Jesus warned his disciples NOT to be easily misled by these people. Not only Jesus knew of false prophets, he also knew some of these false prophets will even claim to be him and that’s why Jesus also warned his disciples to be wary of those who will come claiming to be him and the only person who came and claimed to be the Christ soon after Jesus departure is that imposter ‘Jesus’ whom Paul met on that wilderness road to Damascus. Yet you ignored Jesus words and his warnings, and that’s why despite Jesus’ own words of who the true God is, you STILL claim Jesus is God !!
     
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    I believe you are correct. The Trinity is God in three persons not three persons in God.
     
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    I believe that is false. God saying He is one with Himself is not blasphemy. If a human were to say that it would be blasphemy.
     
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    Numbers 23 and 1 Samuel 15 say God is not a man. God is invisible and cannot be seen, and yet He's seen at different times. The elders of Israel-74 people, see the God of Israel on Mount Sinai, in Exodus the 24th chapter. How is it that God is unseen and yet seen? It's through his Son. He's complex in His unity. The memra is a reference to God being complex in His unity. MEMRA - JewishEncyclopedia.com

     
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    The Greek Pleroma means just what it says, Pleroma, the fullness. As the Expositor's Greek Testament notes, "In that dwelling lies the possibility of our growing in moral excellence on to the very limit of all that is in God Himself...to be filled with all spiritual excellence even to the measure of the complete perfection that is in God Himself. - this is the sweep of what Paul in his prayer desires for these Ephesians..." (vol. 3: 317, note 19 on Ephesians 3:19)

    It is not merely to feel God's presence. The Greek is strong here in saying the entire fullness of God even up to His own perfection can be in us.
     
  16. JerryMyers

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    Well, unless specifically mentioned, to feel God’s presence IS to feel the entire fullness of God as God doesn’t come in small packages!
     
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    Have ye not read and understood the scripture where God appears as a still small voice, not in the grander, greater lightning or mighty magnificent earthquake? God appears in many diverse ways... it is simply not the fullness of God compared to Enoch's transformation astonishingly portrayed in the Book of Enoch, or in the Merkhavah literature of the mystics of Judaism. Feeling God in many various ways has been completely established, and it is not always an entire fullness. I think you are not grasping that. Not a criticism, just an observation. God certainly has and does come in small packages just like there are small miracles performed, and then great miracles that are mind boggling.
     
  18. JerryMyers

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    Sure, feeling God can be in various ways….. and that’s why I said it, bold it, underlined it – ‘unless specifically mentioned............

    Have ye missed it or ye did not grasp the meaning of ‘unless specifically mentioned?? Not a criticism, just an observation.
     
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    Lol.....touche amigo, touche.....
     
  20. JerryMyers

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    I believe you do not know how trinity is defined in Christianity.

    Merriam-Webster dictionary defined trinity as : the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead according to Christian dogma’.

    Even so, don’t you know according to your own scripture, God dwells in all of us, NOT just in 3 persons ??
     
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