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Featured Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Lionel Refson, Jun 23, 2019.

  1. Lionel Refson

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    IMO Given the harm they do, given all the trouble caused in the world by them they should be banned, but how? People have the right to believe what they will and worship as they see fit. These are human rights, but they turn people against people, spawn extremism and give their followers a false and divisive view of the world.
    How could they be banned? How can these divisive, misleading, tribal, anachronistic dogmatic and destructive forces be done away with without the obvious cries of outrage.
    We would have to tread very carefully. How could it be done? What would the first steps be.
    I would suggest a piecemeal ban of various passages as a start. For example everything that stirs up hatred of another religion or violence towards another should be edited out.
    Is it the case that we are powerless even to take the first step in this direction because of human rights and the good (far outweighed by the bad IMO) these religions sometimes do.
    Can we really not sort this nonsense out?
    My solution would be to ban all the holy books and just allow Genesis up to 9:19 (everything after that is just tribal self-interest but that is unrealistic and dictatorial.
    What else could be done? Just keep in mind the thousands of lives that have been lost / ruined because of these divisive forces.
     
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  2. Rival

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    You're obviously so strong in your faith that you need to ban others because yours is so evidently right? Sorry, no.
     
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  3. England my lionheart

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    Whether you could or not you shouldn't imo,China is doing this atm,mosques and people dissapearing at an alarming rate,surely if we believe in freedom this would be just plain wrong.
     
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    It would create a bad war.
     
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    Maybe Refson's discomfort with Abrahamic Religion could be ameliorated by his relocation to China?
     
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    Not with people like you around.
     
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    How does bigotry solve anything?
     
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    Society Should Ban The Abrahamic Religions

    Is one an extremist, please?

    Regards
     
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    Freedom of religion is a basic human right necessary for peace and human happiness. The state cannot and should not dictate people's religious beliefs or lack thereof. We have centuries of data showing how much better life is when we abandon that kind of authoritarianism.
     
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  10. Lionel Refson

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    Did I say that?

    Maybe my discomfort with mass executions, religious extremism ,religious intolerance and hatred all over the world that is growiing daily, is the reason I am advocating this
     
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    Who is the WE that is going to attempt the banning ? Atheists ? Their track record regarding murder and genocide isn´t all that hot.

    You decry divisive actions, how about atheist organizations that are constantly suing one entity or another in their quest to purge the USA of alleged violations of the first amendment.

    In the US we have a thing called the Constitution, which provides every individual the right to the complete freedom of religion. These cannot be revoked except for two very complicated procedures, one of which is very rare, and would utterly fail in attempting to deny any American of their first amendment rights.

    There is also the second amendment to consider, Americans have the right to own and use firearms. An Amendment the very wise Founders put in the Constitution. It exists to protect the people from their own government if that government attempts something like you propose.

    Our ancestors defeated the greatest military force in the world when draconian denial of rights was attempted.

    There are millions of firearm owners who would quite simply revolt if the rights in the Constitution were obliterated. The Founders made it clear that an attempt by the government like you propose would constitute a situation in which rebellion is justified.

    In Europe, where rights are like silly putty, bent here, bent there, some removed, the sheeple are used to and expect this manipulation.

    Further, the governments have ensured that the people are pretty much unarmed and cannot defend themselves.

    Your proposal is revolting and reflects the thinking of hitler and mao, and stalin.

    European people may allow themselves to be crushed by the psychological brutality you propose, but millions upon millions of Americans will not allow it.
     
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  12. Lionel Refson

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    The opposite.

    Ha ha
     
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    I wouldn't ban anything. Just let the nonsense continue.

    Think of it as natural selection with a Fair dose of Darwin Awards.

    If it was banned my use of popcorn will be less practical.
     
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  14. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Going by the op he'd fit in well.
     
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  15. Lionel Refson

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    So we are saying we can't ban it because of basic human rights etc. So if a world war was to come, worldwide with Christian Fundamentalist against Muslim, Muslim against Jew, Shia versus Sunni Iran versus Israel etc etc and millions were murdered, what do you think the terms of the peace might be
    Possibly a ban on these religions? Perhaps they could be followed but not in flocks, a personal worship approach only.
    Why are we waiting for this to start? Oh, sorry it already has. Let's ignore it. Its been here for centuries. Only it is going top escalate and sitting there quoting Constitutions is not going to prevent the many deaths and horrors, IMO

    It is a human failing not to be able to act against this
     
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    Then we should ban every political idea, too.

    You'd have to just ban people.
     
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  17. sun rise

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    The news media and social media are responsible for the distorted view of religion. But the cure is not to ban them but for people to look beyond the headlines and bias to the millions upon millions of people quietly following religious beliefs with no violence and in fact trying to help others
     
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  18. Snow White

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    I might agree. Don't forget shows like the 700 club as well.
     
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    Yes. There's shows that promote distorted views. And the media create stories to draw people's attention through fear and anger.
     
  20. Lionel Refson

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    I agree, but the point is that for example Islamic extremism taints every Muslim with the same brush in the eyes of those who don't want to understand the differences and even the experts point to the presence of al-taaqiyah in the Koran as being evidence that even a moderate Muslim is not to be trusted.
    Then of course with every Islamic extremist act there will be a reply from Fundamentalist Christianity in one form or another spiralling out of control.
    A Jew is hated by an extremist just for being a Jew and because Muslims believe they lied and Christians believe they crucified The Lord. It is an eternal triangle! and it will never end until people have the courage to take action. The moderate is drawn in, one way or another. If a thug attacks a moderate Muslim because the thug has just heard about an Islamic atrocity where somer christians died, the assaulted Muslim may well no longer feel safe in his country and sets about organizing a local neighbourhood watch group which because of its very existence, causes even more issues... .ad nauseam!
     
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