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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by CLee421, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    I love how loosely the word science is used.

    The word means knowledge.

    It's not some fancy new thing. It's always changing. You can be unimpressed with the references that's okay I definitely have learned when to not keep trying. (Regarding pretty much everyone else thus far)

    The Bible is ancient and basically unchanging (don't start with translation debates - there are some variations but they are easily identified and understood) and even though the oldest books are thousands of years old - whether you approve the wording or not - there are people who see what the book is trying to convey.

    But seriously y'all - I wouldn't have believed it either. I didn't. And no one was going to convince me. And no "one" did.
     
  2. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    What "religion in the Bible" are you referencing?

    I'm not saying subscribe to a religion. I don't.
     
  3. Ishmael

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    True religion is defined by James as, "Visiting widows & orphans in their affliction." So, for anyone who has lost their spouse or parents, you have my sincerest condolences.

    LOVE this discussion! Great points for those whom actually had points and also points to those who tried to have a point but came up a bit dull.

    BTW, The earth is flat. Deal with it. Google Jeranism and "Fake Moon Landings" etc. The proof is in the pudding.

    Because I have recently rejected the "mark of the beast" I won't go into how the Chinese Zodiac perfectly described my personality as a "Water Tiger" but I will say that MANY years ago I read a very interesting series of books which showed how the Quran creation story was scientifically accurate.

    Does it matter? Not to anyone but Apollyon the Destroyer I dare declare.

    Doesn't faith come from hearing and hearing from the "Word of God?"

    Aren't the Children (Seed) of Abraham called to bless this earth?

    If you would be counted as one of their number then I recommend you show some LOVE for the sweet soul who went to such peculiar pains to show that the Bible may just have some scientific specifics in it after all. Imagine that.

    And in this attitude of love, I invite all those who hunger and thirst after righteousness to read "Daniel & The Revelation" by Uriah Smith available as a FREE PDF on-line.

    May the Spirit of Truth lead you all into understanding.

    Peace be with you, even unto the end.
     
  4. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    I agree with your definition of "true religion" ... human-organized religion is what I was referring to in my above comment. But you probably understood that.

    However - flat earth? I've seen a lot of people subscribe to this recently. However our ability to view the sloping plane with our own two eyes, the flight patterns/analysis of pilots... lead me to believe otherwise. I'm not a big believer in the moon landing however I do know we have satellites that are photographing things. Why would "they" lie about that? What is to gain?

    Can I ask what mark you turned down recently?
     
  5. Subduction Zone

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    Why reject the lunar landings? Or course a Flat Earth belief is only a small step away from creationism. They are both irrational beliefs where one must reject all sciences.
     
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    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    The video is simply questionable. I have seen crosshairs in photos from it placed behind objects - can't remember what. NASA has also reportedly just, lost all that video / documentation etc.

    I would like to think we did however it seems like it was a pissing contest with the Russians. I don't know.
     
  7. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    I definitely don't hold onto that moon view very tightly. But it's something to think about.

    It's really sad you truly believe all sciences must be rejected when you believe the Bible. I certainly don't. And I actually have a love of science and will study things in depth now whereas before my rebirth I could not have cared less about any of it. Spiritual, science, nada.
     
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    We went there. Those that deny it tend to be scientifically illiterate. The following is a very useful site. It refutes almost every claim of the conspiracy theory nut's:

    Clavius Moon Base - debunking the moon hoax
     
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    And yes, to believe the myths of Genesis one needs to reject all of the sciences.
     
  10. Ishmael

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    Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

    Now, since we lean unto our own understandings MUCH more than seems wise, let us delve into the most significant scientific proofs that FAITH (Conscious Belief) is at work in EVERY portion of our illusive reality and there MUST be a Great Watcher (And An Innumerable Heavenly Host) keeping that which He created EVER in view:

    The Illusion of Matter: Our Physical Material World Isn’t Really Physical At All

    Job 7:20 If I have sinned, what have I done to You, O Watcher of mankind? Why have You made me Your target, so that I am a burden to You?

    Daniel 4:13 As I lay on my bed, I also saw in the visions of my mind a watcher, a holy one, coming down from heaven.

    Daniel 4:23 And you, O king, saw a watcher, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, 'Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump with its roots in the ground, with a band of iron and bronze around it, in the tender grass of the field. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven, and graze with the beasts of the field till seven times pass him by.'

    And if the following ancient text has ANY basis in fact, then we may all look forward to the judgements therein pronounced to soon be realized:

    http://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

    For proofs that FAITH or Conscious BELIEF in something CAN and does change reality, we can look here:

    Bible Search: Your faith has made you whole

    And again here:

    Bible Search: IF you have faith the size

    And ask yourself, IF you are the ONLY being creating your reality then when you walk into your home and are inside your walls, since everything outside NOT being watched would become a wave of endless possibilities because you are not observing it anymore, are you the ONLY one creating your reality? We may find that this is NOT the case if we call our neighbor who is still outside on his cell phone and asked him to describe what HIS reality is and what he sees outside your home, it would most assuredly be what he and the Great Watcher believes it to be. So the JOY you may find from knowing that FACT is that "We are NOT alone!"

    Nuff said?

    Peace be unto us all, even unto the end.
     
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    This is a pointless exercise. The bible is not a science book. It is a work of literature, full of allegory and metaphor. The value of Its messages to humanity does not depend in the least on it describing nature accurately, which of course it does not do.
     
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    So, in other words one admits that there is nothing as such neither in the Bible nor in the Science, it is one's simple idea.

    Right, please?
    Regards
     
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    The term "science" in its default modern usage is short for "natural science", i.e. knowledge of nature. It has also come to mean the method of studying nature that mankind has found to be most practically useful. (making theoretical models that can be checked by careful and objective observation of nature.)

    As for the bible, yes there are plenty of people who think they see what the book is trying to convey, though, as with any significant work of literature, there is scope for alternative interpretations of individual parts of it. This is due to the style in which it is written, which includes metaphor, allegory, legend and myth. This was recognised by the early fathers of the church, as far back as 200AD, just after the start of Christianity.

    Sadly, this basic insight became lost or ignored by some particularly silly sects that appeared in the course of the c.19th and which still mislead some naive and poorly educated people today.
     
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  14. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    To say all these things about the Bible guys you are saying the nation of Israel and their written history is wrong, made up, fantasy.

    I disagree. And calling me or anyone who believes the Bible poorly educated is just proof that you can only repeat what you think is right, then attack the intelligence of those who disagree with you. It's probably one of the more disgusting traits I see come out in people when they are behind the allmight my keyboard.

    The Bible does contain some metaphors but the Old Testament is largely documented and comfirmed Jewish history. It also contains amazing poetry (based in truth) and yes, these and more facts that are relevant or applicable to life.
     
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    I stand entirely by what I said about the sects I was referring to, which have forgotten or ignored the early insight that the bible is not be taken in all respects literally. They seem to be ignorant about the early church. And if their followers were well-educated, they would have enough basic science to make it obvious to them that a literal interpretation of everything in the bible (the story of Genesis, the sun standing still in Joshua - all these old chestnuts) is the wrong way to go about reading it.

    It was not evident to me that you belong to one of these sects. In fact I had thought you took a more nuanced view. But if you choose to identify with them, that is up to you.
     
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    Still I detect a reading comprehension issue here or simply playing duck, bob and weave and blue smoke and mirrors. I never said you were saying anything about subscribing to a religion. The Bible is scripture and considered a document of religions, namely Christianity. The subject you defined is Science and the Bible, which is the same as religion and the Bible.Unless you are making the arrogant view that what you believe is not religion.

    Still it would help if you would stick to the topic and consider science as it is clearly defined in the English language.
     
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    Science should not be defined in terms of personal preference, and it is NOT loosely defined nor used

    Science is clearly defined in the English language. please use it to communicate in the English language. In the contemporary world the meaning of science is not changing.

    Not sure where you are going here with vague platitudes, but please address the subject and the problems with your considering science compatable with the Bible.
     
  18. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    I don't belong to any human organization.

    Regardless it always seems extremely poor taste to degrade the intelligence of another. I am not sure what sects you are referencing or what they believe but you put it on this thread. I wonder if I would agree or disagree with those you are referring to.
     
  19. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    The etymology of the word: IMG_3451.PNG

    English.

    And I am addressing the subjects and the things you claim are problems - I'm sorry you can't see that
     
  20. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    And yes. What has been accepted as "scientific knowledge" has been known to and is changing a lot. That's one of its endearing qualities, if you ask some scientists.
     
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