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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by CLee421, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Scientific knowledge keeps getting closer and closer to the "right answer". We see that in all of the sciences. It is self correcting. The errors in the Bible are there forever. It does not have a self correcting mechanism.

    It is rather odd that you find fault with one of the strengths of science and do not recognize the weakness in your own beliefs.
     
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    It would be wiser to learn what science is and how it is done rather than relying on a faulty dictionary definition.
     
  3. shunyadragon

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    Too big and bold words does not help your case. Your previous statements were woefully incomplete for a definition of science. Not the definition provided referred to science as based on information and a branch of knowledge, and therefore does not refer to all knowledge, There are types of knowledge that are clearly not science.A more descriptive definition that defines the 'knowledge' of science.

    From: science defined - Google Search

    sci·ence
    ˈsīəns/
    noun
    1. the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
      "the world of science and technology"
      synonyms: branch of knowledge, body of knowledge/information, area of study, discipline, field
      "the science of criminology"
      • a particular area of this.
        plural noun: sciences
        "veterinary science"
      • a systematically organized body of knowledge on a particular subject.
        "the science of criminology"
        synonyms: physics, chemistry, biology;
    It is very tiresome to argue basic English definitions when you will not stick to the subject you choose for this thread.
     
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  4. shunyadragon

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    Careful how you choose to define religion. No one believes their beliefs are 'human organized religion,' and pretty much everyone believes their 'religion' is the 'true religion.' The classic argument by some that what they believe is not religion and what everybody else believes is religion is a very egocentric meaningless way to communicate.

    This type of an attempt at a distinction is not meaningful between people who believe differently.

    Again it would be helpful to get back to the subject of the thread you defined.
     
  5. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    What you claim are errors in the Bible probably are not errors. I fact all so called errors I've seen aren't. I see none.
    Oh my goodness - "look at this book not that book" and that website is etymology. The origin of words. It's extremely resourceful informative and accurate.
     
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    Why do you persist in bringing intelligence into this?
     
  7. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    Sorry I had to edit a post. You may go back if at some point I didn't complete a sentence.

    I did not say science changing was a bad thing. You assumed I meant that. I said it because @shunyadragon claimed it didn't change.

    Obviously we should change our views once something is discovered.
     
  8. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    Dear you made the comment. And I am free to speak however regardless - you all seem to think when I bring up something bothering you or you don't like how I say it I should change. I'm sorry - who are you?
     
  9. shunyadragon

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    Misrepresentation of my post. I said the contemporary definition of science does not change. The knowledge of science is constantly evolving and changing.

    Now, PLEASE, let's get back to the subject at hand.
     
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    I spoke of ignorance and poor education.

    But I'm pleased you're sorry, anyway.
     
  11. Subduction Zone

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    The events of Genesis and Exodus that never happened would be a good start.

    Still not a wise source. Dictionaries only give a low level description at best. It is better to learn what science is by understanding how science is done rather than depending upon a poorly worded definition.
     
  12. shunyadragon

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    Disagree on some important point here: Yes, the Church Fathers recognized metaphor and allegory in Genesis, but most Church Fathers clearly believed in a literal Genesis creation. I would gladly go into more detail with references if necessary. This belief carries over to the how the NT describes Adam and Eve and the flood of Genesis. The Church Fathers believed in a Biblical and Aristotle's view of the universe.

    This is an important point that claims of the harmony of science and the Bible run into difficulty.
     
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    I had in mind Origen, one of the greatest biblical scholars of the early church, who said of the Garden of Eden story: " Who is so silly as to believe that God, after the manner of a farmer, planted a paradise eastward in Eden, and set in it a visible and palpable tree of life, of such a sort that anyone who tasted its fruit with his bodily teeth would gain life?"

    Origen followed Clement, his predecessor, in reading parts of the Old Testament as allegory, a concept familiar from the way the Greeks read Homer. He taught that the story contained truth but should not be read as a historical event.

    This is according to McCulloch's History Of Christianity. McCulloch even goes on to observe: "Origen might be saddened to learn that seventeen hundred years later, millions of Christians are that silly."
     
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  14. A Vestigial Mote

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    I felt the need to stop reading at "sound particles."
     
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    Was it talking about phonons, then? Sounds very advanced! :D
     
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    Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the Earth at around 200BC, so it was clearly recognised at spherical by then. In fact any sailor in the ancient world would have known the surface of the sea is at least curved, equally in all directions, and might have guessed it was spherical.

    The notion that some people hold, that the Earth was believed to be flat up to mediaeval times, is not correct.
     
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    I spoke of ignorance and poor education, not intelligence.

    As for my, or our, reactions to you "bringing something up", this is a discussion forum. If you say something controversial, you can't complain if it causes controversy.
     
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    Haha... yeah... the biblical "support" for that whole section of the OP was just God's voice being "energy"... so I am not even entirely sure where the talk of energy-related particles came from. *STRRRRRETCH*

    Phonons notwithstanding, without qualification I was convinced that what was being implied in the OP were actual particles of sound. Hence the reason I stopped reading.
     
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    That part of the book of Isaiah was written in the 6th century as most probably was the Book of Job. ​
     
  20. SkepticThinker

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    It's actually an oblate spheroid.

    Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round
     
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