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Featured Science and the Bible

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by CLee421, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    But the writers of the Bible may have believed it to be flat. Even though Christians will make the claim it does describe it as a sphere. Luckily the Flat Earth verses are all rather poetic so I would not say that it explicitly says that it is flat either. That the Earth was well know to be spherical along with the fact that a better argument can be made for a Flat Earth is why I get a bit irritated when the claim that the Bible supposedly miraculously claims it was spherical before its time.
     
  2. exchemist

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    The writers of the Old Testament may indeed have believed that, but they were mostly writing a lot earlier than Eratosthenes.

    There is not, so far as I am aware, anything in the New Testament that asserts the Earth to be flat. There is, in the story of the temptations of Christ, a passage that speaks of the devil taking him to a mountaintop and showing him the "four corners of the earth", but this, I understand, is English idiomatic translation of "extremities" or something like that. At all events the passage does not purport to tell us what the shape of the Earth is, as it is about something else entirely.

    The overall lesson, surely, is that one should not try to read the bible as a science book. In this I think we agree.
     
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  3. David T

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    Neither does about 99% of all music....
     
  4. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    It's much more than that. I never said it was a "science" book. It has some knowledge relating to the earth and human body etc but that's nothing compared to the bulk of it.

    Mostly it's history. Genealogies. Also poetry and songs written by kings - but even that can be classified under history in a sense.
     
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    And a good dollop of myth and legend in the best known parts of the OT, notable examples being Genesis and Exodus.
     
  6. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    Jews history there. They disagree. They have genealogy from Adam and I guarantee many families have kept up with that.

    There are many real people named. Real locations. Real battles. Just because God is in the mix you call an entire people's history "myth" ...
     
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    Nope. It's for the reasons we've all discussed ad nauseam re the creation story, the garbled nature of the flood myth and the way it is borrowed from an earlier epic, the fact there is no historical evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt, and so on......

    Genealogy from Adam is especially absurd. The bible doesn't even explain where Cain got his wife from or how the human race spread if not through incest.

    Doubtless there is history in it, but there is a lot that demonstrably isn't.
     
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  8. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    When it comes to sciences many creationist and intelligent design proponents are in fact poorly educated in that regard. Can't sugar-coat that kind of assessment. Intentional or unintentional ignorance? It's just there.

    You know there are smart people around who believe in amazingly ridiculous things. A mystery of life I suppose as to why but I can get an idea because I used to be a theist. None of it has to do with accuracy in science or even common sense at times.
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Curious. Why doesn't religion change with new information coming to the surface?
     
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  10. CLee421

    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    Faith and miracles look like foolishness to those who don't believe. That's just something we will live with.

    Educated down a different path than you doesn't mean uneducated.
     
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    CLee421 Bible believing-Face painting-Musical Momma

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    What new information that can be added to or change my faith has surfaced?

    Also. I'm not religious. I have a relationship with God, and believe things I never thought I would, but nothing I do is done "religiously" but freely.
     
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    I understand that G-d did not author Bible OT and or NT. It is pointless, therefore, to relate it to Science, it cannot legitimately claim it. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  13. InChrist

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    Disagree. For one thing at least two astronauts, Charlie Duke, and the late Jim Irwin. who who walked on the moon were born again Christians. Both of these Christians wrote books in which they shared their testimonies and their experiences. Here are a couple of link from AIG refuting a flat earth. I can imagine how much you appreciate AIG.

    Is the Earth Flat?

    Does the Bible Teach that the Earth is Flat?
     
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  14. Subduction Zone

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    AiG!? Are the you kidding me? That is the same as you openly admitting that you are wrong.

    Try again.
     
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    I don't think referencing AIG is an admission of being wrong, they are good articles. But I am kind of kidding in posting them for you, just couldn't resist. What am I wrong about? Are you saying the earth is flat?
     
  16. Subduction Zone

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    That is because you probably have no clue as to how dishonest that site is.

    No, I am not saying that the Earth is flat, but a good case can be made that the Bible makes that claim.
     
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