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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by InvestigateTruth, May 15, 2022.

  1. InvestigateTruth

    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    How compatible is the idea of literally return of dead people back to life, with science and philosophy?

    Consider these scenarios:

    1. If one has been eaten by a shark, then in turn, part of the flash had turned to energy, partly became the flash of the shark, and partly waste. Later that shark, dies, and its body was eaten by other fish.
    A. Then on the Judgement Day, where and which location the physical body is generated, or the particles come back togther considering there is no grave.
    Discuss scientifically and philosophically.

    2. A baby who passed away, immediately after birth, or just before birth, and now is kept in an Alcohol container.

    3. Albert Einstein, whose brain is kept in Alcohol container. How would His brain, as body part comes back and reassembled with the rest of the Body?

    4. The idea of belief in resurrection of a dead in some ways, existed in non- Abrahamic ancient beliefs or myths, such as Osiris who was a resurrected king.
    Did Abrahamic religions get their idea of resurrection from the myths, or it was the other way around? Discuss from historical point of view.
    5. In Zoroasterism, we can see belief in the Judgement Day, and general resurrection. Did Abrahamic religions get their idea about Judgement Day from Zoroasterism or it was the other way around? Discuss from historical point of view.
     
  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I think it gets a little bit more complicated than that.
     
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  3. The Hammer

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    What we are is immaterial, and not requiring of the exact body we once had, to return?

    Edit: How else would reincarnation work? Imo
     
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  4. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    why do you assume it is made of the same material?
     
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  5. InvestigateTruth

    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    What does the scriptures say? Does it say, it is the same fingers assembled? Or it says, different material?
    What does Quran say? What does the Christian Bible say, such as story of Lazarus? What does Hebrew Bible say?
     
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    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    Sure. Please do elaborate.
     
  7. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Well I'm pretty sure I can't bring back the dead.
     
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  8. KenS

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    This is what is said:
    1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

    The body is corruptible because the ground, from which it is made from, was cursed in Genesis 3. The new body is not made from that material because the old body is corruptible.

    Lazarus was raised from the dead with the same body and it isn't the resurrection that is of the end times. He did die again.

    See my signature too. :)
     
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  9. Subduction Zone

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    Probably from the Jesus story where he still had the same body. Nail holes and all.
     
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  10. Nimos

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    I think the idea of resurrection is found in one form or another in most religions.

    In old Norse some people went to Valhalla and others went else where. The native Americans had ancestor spirits if im not mistaken, which is sort of the same. Romans believed in the underworld.
     
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    Any scenario where people magically get an afterlife - whether they're bodily resurrected or they're in some sort of "spirit" form - is already invoking magic poofing as an explanation to the point where it's a bit silly to try and sort out what's plausible or even possible, IMO.
     
  12. InvestigateTruth

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    I understand your point. But if we are talking about human having a soul, which is non-materialistic, then we have no way to prove or disprove it based on science, because if a supernatural soul exist, it cannot be known through natural science.
    In philosophy also, there is no way to show the idea of soul is illogicall.
    However if we are talking about a physical resurrection, then now, it must be in accordance with science, because it is "physical" then natural science must agree with it.
     
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    I don't think the science of the time would have known enough to doubt that resurrecting the same body was impossible. To believe it today is another matter. Just like believing that Jesus didn't need a second set of genes and could be born without a human father. Yet, even with their belief in science, Baha'is believe in the virgin birth.

    I think it is very likely that virgin births and resurrections of the dead are nothing but mythical religious beliefs. So, I almost agree with the Baha'i Faith. Where I disagree with Baha'is is when they say that the verses that talk about the resurrection were meant to be taken symbolically and not literally. If all Baha'is were saying is that a literal, physical resurrection of the same body is not compatible with modern science, then I'd have no problem. But I do believe the NT writers were claiming that Jesus had indeed... come back to life literally, not symbolically. So, if he didn't, then that makes the resurrection stories fictional, religious myth. And if the disciples hid the body and make up the resurrection story, then that's even worse. That's an inexcusable hoax they pulled off. And they did seem to have pulled it off, right? Who can prove them wrong?
     
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    Science? Once someone is truly dead, that's it.

    Philosophy? Eastern religions have a different view - reincarnation. That's also true in Jewish Kabbalah although the details are different.
     
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    Brain-computer interfaces, replacement of neurons with synthetic circuitry, built simulated worlds and permanent residency in the Matrix might enable resurrected conscious beings to live forever in a virtual paradise world,
     
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    Wesir, Osiris, was briefly raised by His magic wife, Iset, so they could concieve Horu. He was then to go back to the Duat, the Underworld, and reign there as Lord of the Duat. His story really isn't the same.
     
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    Thank you for sharing this verse. I read all verses. Perfect chapter, totally in line with what Sai Baba taught us, and with my experiences. I love it, tells in a nutshell all I need to know
     
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    Do you think God has the power to raise the dead bodily?
     
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    Except, His body was created, not made from the same stuff.
     
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    Are you sure about that? If so then why was it holey?
     
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