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Discussion in 'Member Announcements' started by Rival, Oct 13, 2020.

  1. Rival

    Rival Noahide
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    We appear to have become slightly more green (or stayed green as the 2013 one had more parctipants) as the years go on,

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    What I've noticed is that from 2013 the liberals in the green appear to have become even more liberal, reaching the lower left corner where in 2013 many seemed more central. But on the whole we see what we perceive; nearly everyone has moved further to the extreme sides, branching out from the centre of the graph; especially in the green.
     
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    I don't know why the image didn't print
     
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    They don't, for some reason; you need to save it or screenshot it.
     
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    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    There's obviously a pyramid scheme going on in that lower left corner. :oops:
     
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    This is where I ended up on the Nolan quiz (attached pic).
     
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    This is where I ended up on the Nolan quiz (attached pic).
     
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    I guess the attachment didn't upload properly. I couldn't copy the image from the website because it didn't show where I was. It was the left-wing/liberal section, but that was no great surprise.
     

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  9. Deeje

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    LOL...then there is no basis for agreement....only for argument. :D

    There was no “politics” in first century Christianity. That would have made Jesus both a hypocrite and a liar. Being “no part of the world” meant being no part of its governance. The governance of the Jews throughout their history was from God, whilst living in the land that he had promised them and whilst they obeyed his commandments and laws....Jesus’ condemnation of the Jewish leadership was not political, but a judgment against their ongoing failure to lead the people in true worship.

    The governance of the Jews in the first century was under the control of the Roman Empire. They had to appeal to the political elements to even bring charges against Jesus which would ultimately lead to his execution.

    When Jesus said to be “no part of the world”, it meant not to meddle in the “politics” of the world, which included not manipulating them into doing their dirty work for them.
    The Jewish zealots were plotting a revolt against Rome, but in no way was Jesus an advocate of such action...that would have been “political.”

    I hope at least that you can see the difference from my perspective.....:)

    I’ll stick to my guns and you stick to yours.....but just so you know.....my guns are of course, figurative. I am “armed” with a Bible, but not dangerous. :p OK?
     
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    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Luv a good row, I does. That's an argument, not a trip in a dinghy. :)

    When the Baptist and Jesus were halting the flow of folks to the Temple, there was no Christianity.

    I disagree. I think that Jesus and Baptist both were irate over the greed, hypocrisy, mis-rule and carelessness of the Leaders, the Priesthood. And the Hebrew speaking people of Jerusalem and its suburbs didn't half cheat and steal from the poorer northern peasantry who were quite poor enough.

    No. Rome did not rule Palestine, that was 'devolved' to the sons of the deceased 'Client King', but because a Prefect had replaced one of them in Samaria, Judea and Idumea his final word was required before executions, which gives me an idea about what was happening before his leadership. Please Note that Antipas (Perean and Gallilelan leader) went out to bring the Baptist in, and he didn't need the Prefect's permission to kill him, either.

    He was a revolutionary figure as had been the Baptist.

    Jesus totally supported the idea, wanted the Temple torn down.

    Balloons and pins! :)
     
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    As Jews were all under law and the Temple played a vital role for the priesthood and the sacrifices offered there, (all according to God's command) why do you say that? At one time Jesus was observing contributions to the Temple and noticed a poor widow who dropped two small coins of very little value into the treasury, he knew how poor she was and that these two coins were all she had.....he said that she had given more than all the others who were giving out of their surplus....she was giving all she had in the world.

    I see nothing in scripture that indicated Jesus' wanting to halt the flow of people to the Temple...he wanted to put a stop to the commercial enterprises that he saw right in the Temple itself.....greedy men extorting money from their own brothers by selling sacrificial animals at inflated prices.....it made him very angry. He turfed them out twice.

    I can't argue with that....both exposed the religious leaders of the day and did not mince words when condemning them. (Matthew 3 & 23)

    It was Antipas’ adulterous relationship with Herodias (his brother's wife) that brought reproof from John B. John could properly correct Antipas on this matter, because Antipas was nominally a Jew, and professedly under the Law. Antipas put John into prison, desiring to kill him, but was afraid of the people, who believed John was a prophet. At a celebration of Antipas’ birthday, Herodias’ daughter so pleased him that he made an oath in front of all his guests to give her whatever she asked. Herodias instructed her daughter to ask for John’s head. Herod, though it was not pleasing to him, gave in to save face before those attending the celebration and because of his oath. (However, under the Law he would not be bound by an oath to perform an illegal act, such as murder.) John was not tried under the law, so his death was murder. (Matthew 14:3-12; Mark 6:17-29)

    It was during the rulership of Herod Antipas that Jesus warned his followers: “Keep your eyes open, look out for the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” (Mark 8:15) Both of these sects, the Pharisees and the Herodians, or party followers of Herod, opposed Jesus Christ and his teachings, and though they were at enmity with each other, both saw Christ as a common enemy and were united against him. That was indeed political.

    I guess you could say that, but Jesus fought only on a spiritual level within his own nation and its religious leadership. The Jewish leaders though chafing under Roman domination, were somewhat content with their lot.
    After Jesus raised Lazarus form the dead...."Therefore the chief priests and the Pharisees convened a council, and were saying, “What are we doing? For this man is performing many signs. 48 If we let Him go on like this, all men will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”
    We can see what their agenda was.

    Can I ask where you get this idea? Whilst Jesus was alive, the old covenant was in force, as was the Law.....the Temple would be destroyed, but not until 70CE.....37 years after Jesus' death. It was never rebuilt because God had finalized his dealings with the natural Jews and "abandoned" them as his people. (Matthew 23:37-39)

    They could never accuse their God of a lack of patience, since their behavior all through their history, at times made him want to "annihilate" them. (Exodus 32:9-10; 33:1-5) But he kept them in existence to fulfill his promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
     
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    The Temple, its rules, its fees, the system, these provided the Levite Priests with income as well as controlling the people. It was leadership, taxation and rule, all layed down by their God.
    Christianity didn't exist until after the death of Jesus; Jesus didn't even know that word, never used it, he spoke Eastern Aramaic which was a different dialect to the Southerners.
    I've read about that. You see? Those huge bell-mouthed offering receptacles and the Levite Guards standing around exerted great pressure on all to give offerings above the standard 1/2 shekel per man per annum. Even old ladies put in their money, which she certainly would not have done without extyreme pressure imo.
    He wanted to stop the sacrife rip-offs... if a peasant brought his own bird or animal the priests could condemn it as imperfect..... they had to buy their sacrifices there at rip-off fees.
    He wanted to stop the rip-off skekel exchange rates, a nice little earner for the priests.
    He wanted to stop the sacrificial fees.
    He wanted to stop peoplre needing to go there.
    You can't see the scripture? His actions spoke louder than mere words.

    Yes... yes..... but Antipas didn't go out and arrest John for the above. John never had held such conversations until AFTER he was arrested and brought back to Perea. Once detained Antipas used to talk with him, liked him, and it was then that John spoke about the unlawful union.
    People got executed and stoned all the time in the other provinces, and Antipas could deliver his justice how he wanted in his provinces.
    The Prefect would never interfere in Perea!
    Wowup! Three Herods were rulers in Palestine at that time. Exactly where is Antipas picked out in that verse? And this constant referral to Pharisees is strange...... Are you saying that the Priresthood, Saducees and all were excluded from Jesus's warning? The whole lot were a corrupt bunch of leaders...... all political, as you admit.
    Jesus was a political person.

    MNo he didn't. He fought on physical levels with physical actions. He demonstrated physically. His % of the baptisms, his healings, his warring words, his violence....
    The disciples were a very tough crowd..... not the weak humbled prayerful folks that are so often depicted. Their very nick-names showed that.
    It's a pity that Mark didn't know anything about any raisings, showed a totally different last week of activity to John, and on the first day of their visit they all just went on a tour of the Temple. No mention of any Lazarus. Mark 11:11
    Ah..... Old covenants and new.......... I'm not a Christian, I see Jesus as an astonishing man who followed on after the Baptist's mission and who finally demonstrated, even rioted (possibly) in the Temple, and was tried for that.
    Jesus Son of the Father was so loved by the people that Pilate felt obliged to pardon and release him........ Bar = Son of Abba = Father, and early bibles showed that this man was called Jesus. Maybe you should add 'Jesus' before Barabbas in your bibles?
    I'm a Deist, so I cannot comment about interested, involved or participating Gods. :)
     
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    Politics doesn't interest me either.
    But I still have opinions about stuff.
    And the questionaire asks you about your opinions and then plots your answers unto the political spectrum.

    I get it to. To me, it's also a rather meaningless label. I don't like being put a in a "box" like that, as if that one dot on the graph represents "me" and everything I am about.

    I'm sure there are topics where I would agree with the most conservative right winger, while there are others where I would be diametrically opposed with such people.

    Still, it's fun taking the test and comparing overall results.
     
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    Would be very interesting to see a "heatmap" on this graph of the entire population of a country, or at least a good representative sample, side by side with a "heatmap" from all the politicians of that same country that have a mandate in the governing bodies of those countries.

    I think it would be shocking how badly represented populations of various democratic nations actually are.

    There could also be psychological / sociological explanations for such things in the sense of people who fall in a certain square are generally more likely to enter politics, and/or people falling in another square are less likely to.
     
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    Yes, their portion was set out in God's law. The Levites received no territorial allotment in Canaan, however, other tribes of Israel gave them a total of 48 cities scattered throughout the Promised Land.

    The Levites needed to be well versed in the Law, often being called upon to read it in public and to teach it to the common people. Maintenance of the Levites was mainly by tithes from the other tribes, a tenth of everything produced from the ground and the cattle being given them. The Levites, in turn, passed on a tenth of this to the priests.

    Jesus never came to start a new religion...all he did was clean up the old ways and inaugurate a new covenant as it was prophesied. The term "Christian" according to Paul was by "divine providence".
    The new covenant was a different kettle of fish to the old one.

    Since Jesus commended her actions, I don't think there was any coercion. He could discern people's motives. Which is why he came down so hard on the Pharisees.

    He would love to have stopped a lot of the rot but there was no point. The Jewish leaders were incorrigible, so all he could do was lead the "lost sheep" out of that corrupt system and into a new way to worship the same God acceptably. The law was fulfilled in Christ, so many of its features were discarded as no longer necessary.....especially the sacrificial requirements. The Sabbath was no longer incumbent, but Jews could still choose to uphold it if they wished. Circumcision also was no longer mandatory, although it could still be practiced by the Jewish Christians traditionally. Jewish Christians had no right to demand that the gentile Christians follow Jewish laws.

    The Herod dynasty is accounted for here...
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002000

    Jesus was forthright when he needed to be but gentle like a caring parent at other times. He was first and foremost a teacher. The setting dictated his actions and his words. The apostles needed to be as forthright as he was and yet yielding when it came to imitating the Master. They never resisted arrest, even when the charges were trumped up.

    That's the beauty of four gospels....each has elements that the others did not emphasize. When you take all four into account, each provides a component vital to the whole picture.
    We have a book that takes all the gospels and melds them into one story...it is seamless. Nothing is contradictory.

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/publication/r1/lp-e/gt


    He was not tried for rioting in the temple, but for getting up the noses of the religious leaders. The charge they brought against him was blasphemy....as if God's own son could ever be guilty of such a thing! (Luke 1:35)

    That is not the way I read it.
    Matthew 27:17-18....
    "....Pilate said to them: “Which one do you want me to release to you, Bar·abʹbas or Jesus the so-called Christ?” 18 For Pilate was aware that out of envy they had handed him over."
    Barabbas was a common criminal...he is mentioned in all four gospels as the a completely different person to Jesus. He was released...Jesus was executed.

    Actually Jesus was a very common name in those times, as was Mary....three Marys were at Jesus tomb. Don't get hung up on the names. Two of the apostles were name Judas. (Judas the son of James, as opposed to Judas Iscariot)

    Your choice to be whatever you wish to be OB......I don't agree with you but I love you just the same....:)
     
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    I didnt care for that one because it makes me out to be very liberal. But I often clash with liberals on things. I tend to be more pro-gun, pro-first, amd anti-capitalist. Ive heard many liberals tout a "Capitalism plus." They also tend to be for more morality based legislation that isn't really a problem (think prostitution, which has numerous easily solveable problems with simple legalization and regulation. Polygamy is another issue. I care not. Liberals last I knew arent as on board with it, or open relationships).
     
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    Here's another one to add to your crowd chart @Rival ;)

    Economic (Left): -0.13
    Social (Libertarian): -0.46

    I squeaked in to the libertarian left (green) square but that is definitely very different from my past results. (March 2016 was Left -6.0; Libertarian -5.33). I think I have mainly just got older and more tired of the political infighting, whatever shade it comes in.

    (Edit: Naturally I've done the "wrong" thing and become more moderate as everyone else goes off their heads and gets more extreme. The tendency to not conform hasn't changed at least.) :D
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    Practically a bullseye! Are you planning a career in a sniper unit? :D
     
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