RF-Wide Political Compass

[oldbadger]

But until Jesus inaugurated the new covenant on the night before his death, all Jews were bound to the old covenant. That required sacrifices at the Temple.

Matthew {9:13} But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:
...political.

All John did was offer the Jews a way to demonstrate their repentance over sins committed against the Law.....preparing the way for the repentant Jews to accept their Messiah. It in no way altered their obligations to sacrifice according to the ones prescribed in the law.

Matthew {3:7} But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
..... political

Only with his death, Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice of his own blood, thereby cancelling out the need for the temporary benefit of animal sacrifices. His sacrifice was permanent.

When/where did Jesus say that?

The Jews in Jerusalem came to a sticky end.....something God only permitted as a punishment. There is no indication that he ever forgave them. As a nation, they have not enjoyed his blessing since. (Matthew 23:37-39)

Israel has existed as a Nation for the last 70 years.

 

[blü 2]

You have to do the elimination process in circumstances like that.

But that requires a least worst answer, not an answer that reflects the participant's views.

Whereas I knew what I wanted to say, but there was not always an answer to fit. In such a case I simply moved on, but the system wouldn't accept that. If the aim to get answers, so much the worse for the system.

 

[Heyo]

Let's ask @Heyo.

Or should we yodel?

Well, the word "conservative" in its original meaning is someone who wants to conserve the status quo. The status quo in Germany is, for a long time now, that we are taking in people to help us with our economy. We also do it for humanitarian reasons and have the right for asylum in our constitution. Many Germans had to flee the country during our fascist period and they found refugee elsewhere. We're paying it back.

But it takes some political thinking to override the inherent xenophobia of the right-wing mindset, so Merkel's position isn't universal on the conservative side.

And it will become worse when our politics is more and more done in Brussels.

 

[Heyo]

My results from January:

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

 

[Rival]

override the inherent xenophobia of the right-wing mindset

This isn't true. I'm a social conservative and I'm hardly known for any xenophobia. It may be that a certain group of cons have this but it's definitely not inherent in right-wing views.

 

[Heyo]

This isn't true. I'm a social conservative and I'm hardly known for any xenophobia. It may be that a certain group of cons have this but it's definitely not inherent in right-wing views.

You are right. "Inherent" was the wrong word, "prevalent" fits better. Xenophobia is a more often related to right-wing and authoritarian views. (And my guess is that being conservative doesn't make one xenophobic but xenophobia does make one conservative/authoritarian.)
It is in the (I wanted to write mindset but that doesn't fit it so: ) emotional make-up. Being progressive, open to new ideas, doesn't fit with xenophobia, being conservative allows for it, though it doesn't require it.

 

[Deeje]

Matthew {9:13} But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:
...political.

Proverbs 21:3...
"To do what is right and just
Is more pleasing to Jehovah than a sacrifice."

I believe that you have the wrong take on that verse OB....The Pharisees were devoid of mercy but totally legalistic about performance, especially in the sight of men....God said he would rather have mercy motivated by love and compassion, than ritual performed by rote, and devoid of love. Not political.

Matthew {3:7} But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
..... political

John, like Jesus, had nothing good to say about the hypocritical Pharisees, which is why he said the above. The "coming wrath" was from God, and Jesus and John B informed them that the axe was already at the base of the tree, ready to cut it down if they failed to produce the fruits of repentance....they saw no need of repentance, so the axe fell when God abandoned them. (Matthew 23:37-39) Not political.

When/where did Jesus say that?

Do you remember that John the Baptist referred to Jesus as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world"? What were the animal sacrifices in Israel designed to do? Wasn't it to mitigate sins committed...to obtain a temporary forgiveness? If Christ took away the sin, bore the world's sin in his own body, then there was no basis for the sacrifice of animals left. He has fulfilled the Law as he said. (Matthew 5:17)

Hebrews 10:1-4...
"For since the Law has a shadow of the good things to come, but not the very substance of the things, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered year after year, make those who approach perfect. 2 Otherwise, would not the sacrifices have stopped being offered, because those rendering sacred service once cleansed would have no consciousness of sins anymore? 3 On the contrary, these sacrifices are a reminder of sins year after year, 4 for it is not possible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take sins away."

The temporary blood sacrifices were a constant reminder of the need for a permanent sacrifice to end the need for animals to be offered in atonement.It was never meant to be a permanent arrangement.

Israel has existed as a Nation for the last 70 years.

Israel today is a political nation, not a religious one. It makes alliances with foreign nations to secure its defense.....ancient Israel depended on God to protect them....when they sought out alliances with foreign nations, he withdrew from them for their lack of faith and allowed them to be defeated.

The "nation" that has existed for 70 years is not the Israel that God is blessing. He chose another nation...one who could obey him willingly. (Galatians 6:16; Acts 15:14) If you think the warring and the bloodshed are an indication of God's blessing, then I think you need to read the Hebrew scriptures again.... (Isaiah 1:15)

 

[Rival]

On the Nolan Chart apparently I've joined @Harel13 on the centre-right,

Political Quiz - where do you stand in the Nolan Chart?​

 

[oldbadger]

Proverbs 21:3...
"To do what is right and just
Is more pleasing to Jehovah than a sacrifice."

Oh the Jews were sacrificing at the Temple way after that was written.

Jesus and the Baptist were acting to cut off the money from the Temple, a political action.

I believe that you have the wrong take on that verse OB....The Pharisees were devoid of mercy but totally legalistic about performance, especially in the sight of men....God said he would rather have mercy motivated by love and compassion, than ritual performed by rote, and devoid of love. Not political.

Pharisees? No.
The Priesthood, the Levite Priesthood..... not all Pharisees were Levites.
Jesus and John were mostly acting against the Temple Priesthood, the Jewish leaders. Political

John, like Jesus, had nothing good to say about the hypocritical Pharisees, which is why he said the above. The "coming wrath" was from God, and Jesus and John B informed them that the axe was already at the base of the tree, ready to cut it down if they failed to produce the fruits of repentance....they saw no need of repentance, so the axe fell when God abandoned them. (Matthew 23:37-39) Not political.

Pharisees?
The Priests...... The Jewish leaders.
The coming wrath was to be from the working people........ the Jewish peasantry. (There was no middle class) and of course the uprisings commenced not that many years later.

But John was cutting off funding from the Temple.

Political.

Do you remember that John the Baptist referred to Jesus as the "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world"? What were the animal sacrifices in Israel designed to do? Wasn't it to mitigate sins committed...to obtain a temporary forgiveness? If Christ took away the sin, bore the world's sin in his own body, then there was no basis for the sacrifice of animals left. He has fulfilled the Law as he said. (Matthew 5:17)

I'm not a Christian, and don't accept every word that's written. I'm a Deist and HJ student and you may have seen my thread about Gospel contradictions.
John the Baptist was offering cleansing and redemption for nothing, which is probably why the people flocked to him.
No wonder Antipas was instructed to go out and bring him in. (That wasn't the Roman Prefect's responsibility)

Hebrews 10:1-4...
"For since the Law has a shadow of the good things to come, but not the very substance of the things, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered year after year, make those who approach perfect. 2 Otherwise, would not the sacrifices have stopped being offered, because those rendering sacred service once cleansed would have no consciousness of sins anymore? 3 On the contrary, these sacrifices are a reminder of sins year after year, 4 for it is not possible for the blood of bulls and of goats to take sins away."

You quoted Paul......... he wasn't there.

The temporary blood sacrifices were a constant reminder of the need for a permanent sacrifice to end the need for animals to be offered in atonement.It was never meant to be a permanent arrangement.

The Temple and all about it provided funding for the Levite classes, the leaders

Israel today is a political nation, not a religious one. It makes alliances with foreign nations to secure its defense.....ancient Israel depended on God to protect them....when they sought out alliances with foreign nations, he withdrew from them for their lack of faith and allowed them to be defeated.

The "nation" that has existed for 70 years is not the Israel that God is blessing. He chose another nation...one who could obey him willingly. (Galatians 6:16; Acts 15:14) If you think the warring and the bloodshed are an indication of God's blessing, then I think you need to read the Hebrew scriptures again.... (Isaiah 1:15)

You're quoting Paul again.....

I'm not a Christian.
I can acknowledge that you believe all of the bible, but I do not.

 

[Rival]

Also I think this may be our most comprehensive site-wide Political Compass chart yet:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/cr...-5.38,2.62&name=Jainarayan&ec=-2.25&soc=-1.03​

 

[Vouthon]

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.41

Not surprising to me.

I hold to a number of socially conservative views in the private/ecclesiastical sphere (i.e. within my church) but identify as a libertarian-socialist or left-libertarian politically and economically: inasmuch as I am very much opposed, in principle, to the state imposing my particular private moral norms or paradigms onto others in a pluralist society (or indeed, restricting the freedom of other people to live differently).

Moreover, my stances on the economy are essentially democratic-socialist, so I would have been shocked to the core not to find myself "left" in that respect!

 

[Mock Turtle]

Also I think this may be our most comprehensive site-wide Political Compass chart yet:

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Looks like an attacking army with more defending the core (the winners, of course).

 

[Jainarayan]

This does surprise me. I’ve done this in the past and always came up Libertarian. I thought I’ve changed over the years more towards right of center, but I guess not. My father used to say “you can change a leopard’s ways but not its spots”.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Feeling a bit lonely over here...

 

[Secret Chief]

On the Nolan Chart apparently I've joined @Harel13 on the centre-right,

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Political Quiz - where do you stand in the Nolan Chart?​

I know I've taken this before but have now fallen at the first hurdle. I want to choose 2 of the 3 options absolutely equally but only one is allowed. Ah well.

 

[Secret Chief]

Feeling a bit lonely over here...

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Better than being suffocated.

 

[Jesster]

I know I've taken this before but have now fallen at the first hurdle. I want to choose 2 of the 3 options absolutely equally but only one is allowed. Ah well.

I had a different problem. I just didn't care about 1/3 of the questions.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It would appear that my results are pretty consistent on the Nolan chart.

Political Quiz - where do you stand in the Nolan Chart?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It would appear that my results are pretty consistent on the Nolan chart.

While The Political Compass struck me as possessing a 'progressive' bias, I rather like the Nolan Chart. Thanks.

 

[Harel13]

Feeling a bit lonely over here...

You? What about me??? I'm still the only blue guy!