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Religion and politics

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I wonder to which theocracy (God Rule) you are referring ___________
The theocracy (clergy rule by man) such as the Ayatollah Khomeini is Not the Bible's ' theocracy' (Daniel 2:44)
Thus, the modern-day definition of theocracy (rule by clergy class) is different from the Bible's definition.
What about Jesus does one find as awful ______________________
Jesus as King (president) of God's theocratic kingdom government:
* Unlike human theocracies Jesus fed the hungry (No uneven food distribution)
* Jesus healed the sick, whereas today we even see the return of old diseases along with new diseases.
* Jesus as ruler will calm stormy weather phenomenon - Mark 4:39
* No political can even promise resurrecting the dead.
Unlike men's limited authority, Jesus will have earth-wide spread governing for all peoples to enjoy -> Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:11-14.
Pretty much any theocracy that dictates that I must abide by religious law. Doesn’t matter which. All are restrictive and all are dominated by corrupt dictators.
Jesus might be okay, I dunno
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Pretty much any theocracy that dictates that I must abide by religious law. Doesn’t matter which. All are restrictive and all are dominated by corrupt dictators.
Jesus might be okay, I dunno
Thank you for your reply.
Scripture does speak of the Law of Christ.- Galatians 6:2
That Law is part of Jesus' New commandment as found at John 13:34-35.
The I.D. mark or main quality of the New commandment is having self-sacrificing love for others ahead of self as Jesus displayed.
In other words, we are now to love neighbor More than self, More than the Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18
To meet that standard of the ' Law of self-sacrificing love for others ' one must be: peaceable and patient with all.
Not divided by hatred but having such self-sacrificing love as the backbone of Jesus' New law.
Yes, it does take effort to strip off any bad qualities and put on new ones conforming to Jesus' New commandment as per Colossians 3:8-10.
I suppose one could say Jesus' Law of Christ is restrictive, but No way is Jesus a dominating corrupt dictator.
We are all free to act responsibly toward Jesus' New commandment.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Thank you for your reply.
Scripture does speak of the Law of Christ.- Galatians 6:2
That Law is part of Jesus' New commandment as found at John 13:34-35.
The I.D. mark or main quality of the New commandment is having self-sacrificing love for others ahead of self as Jesus displayed.
In other words, we are now to love neighbor More than self, More than the Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18
To meet that standard of the ' Law of self-sacrificing love for others ' one must be: peaceable and patient with all.
Not divided by hatred but having such self-sacrificing love as the backbone of Jesus' New law.
Yes, it does take effort to strip off any bad qualities and put on new ones conforming to Jesus' New commandment as per Colossians 3:8-10.
I suppose one could say Jesus' Law of Christ is restrictive, but No way is Jesus a dominating corrupt dictator.
We are all free to act responsibly toward Jesus' New commandment.
I still would not favour any type of Theocracy.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Seems to me you are going to be in for quite a shock because the time is coming when the political will turn on the religious world.

You do realize that this line of thinking doesn't make sense within the context of what I wrote, right?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I do wonder what you would favor.
What type would make you feel secure enough to Not lock any windows or doors.
What type would make you feel secure enough to walk alone at night anywhere.
Utopia. But that’s a pipe dream at best. I do think the idea of heaven would bore me for an eternity though lol
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Utopia. But that’s a pipe dream at best. I do think the idea of heaven would bore me for an eternity though lol

We are invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to: come!
We are asked to pray for God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) to: come.....
We are Not asked to be 'taken away' to Jesus, nor to be 'taken up' to Jesus but for Jesus to: come !
So, we are praying about conditions right here on planet Earth.
For the conditions as found at Isaiah 35th chapter to come on Earth.
For the healing of earth's nations right here on planet Earth - Revelation 22:2.
We are nearing a soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth (Matthew 25:31-33,37)
The figurative humble ' sheep' can remain alive on Earth and see calendar Day One of Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
We are invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to: come!
We are asked to pray for God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) to: come.....
We are Not asked to be 'taken away' to Jesus, nor to be 'taken up' to Jesus but for Jesus to: come !
So, we are praying about conditions right here on planet Earth.
For the conditions as found at Isaiah 35th chapter to come on Earth.
For the healing of earth's nations right here on planet Earth - Revelation 22:2.
We are nearing a soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth (Matthew 25:31-33,37)
The figurative humble ' sheep' can remain alive on Earth and see calendar Day One of Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth.
That’s nice. Meh
 

of the soul

New Member
I find the position abut the separation of 'religion and state' has backing as found at...
The king (political) was Not to interfere with priestly (religious) duties and vice versa.
Interesting that Jehovah chose the 'religious' ...

While the union between religion and politics might be a very old, (the) issue, I [have]... [] /wasn't followed by many religious leaders that throughout history kept meddling and getting involved in state affairs, ...: manipulating and influencing state figures according to their personal agenda, influencing elections [&] getting involved in wars, accepting bribes, etc, etc, etc ....
...can't think of any good reason why they should ever be together. Maybe someone else has a different .. view?

I wonder to which theocracy (God Rule) you are

Modern Times have Released a New Democratic Party; Which is the Binding of system of government which the Political Party rule in the name of God or a god. Because we have Freedom of Religion in the States; it is of no Avail to have Religion and State separated; Neither Bound together seen the First Amendment States Clearly: One May Practice any Religion or Non at all. [Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof]; But in an age when the World awakes; Religion would be at the bottom of the food chain, seen it's Relevance is below the means of Politic's Which [] Build it's Law of [] Constitution Upon any Religion or Non at all To Begin with; Hajima. Unlike in the Beginning (Beresheet) Religion was on the Rise because their was no Civilization as Present to this day; Law and Governance of Law abiding and Order. This is due to the Federal Party and Judiciary, that all Laws of the Political Party and Platform are Bound/BUILD on the Premise of all Religious Consequences to Match by the Originalist Constitution to Be Upheld. Theirfore is Religion a Lower Estate Although Necessary, Seen that the Law was given to Patriarch Moshe and Sharia'h is ever Pervading. Penny Slot's at the Casino Does Not Pay out as much as a 10 Dollar Ticket. This is because Religion has not yet Conformed and Reformed it's Entirety in the Estate of it''s Understanding.
They have build itself up on the Premise of What Ancients (Catholics) Thought in the Wrong Rendition of the True Ancients (Originator of the Word "Memra" of God; Despite of Which you Affiliate With). It is For it's Wisdom, it's Words have been Faded; LOST. Due to the Real Reality that this Modern Age Does not Penetrate. Theirfore are their so many Willing to Walk the RELIGIOUS Path, to Vouch in for the Large Sum of Capital That Religion in all it's Entity Hold's. People Simple Just Want to Cash in, and because Become Corrupt even in the Religious; When not also in the Political. Thus THIS is the World. Hence is it said, that the Word Even of Jesus, Would not be Given to them Who Would Mischief upon their Iniquities. Now I Don't Want to Only State on Christendom But on All Religions, Which are In Ever Scrambling, That Which Wisdom by the Foolish Persons of This World Come Confounded. Far to Much has this WORLD Gripped the Individual that Is Ever in Trying to be Freed of This World's Grasp. But the Truth is said, that without Control; Their is Disorder; And Without Liberty, Their is No Freedom. So State and Church (IE. Religion) is an ever Compassing Matter Penetrating Throughout the Age's as History Unfold's itself by the Person's Who Form This Deliberate into This World.

I Say, the World Would be Better With Church and Religion. But Even Pharisees R Ever in the Political Party With their Earthly Wisdom Speaking Things of Vain Into the Existence of This World. So Much Harm is Done under the Name And Banner of Religion; So Even of the Likes of Politics. So their is No Difference. Corruption is in Both States of Parties and People Alike Will Find Themselves. [.] Their is Only a Rare Breed, A People Which have been Enlightened Enough to See Through the Veil Which Both State and Church - (Religion) has pended the Society into. The World as a Whole is under it's Shadow and With it, is of No Relevance Wherein The Plausibility That the World Will Be Governed More and More or Less and Less Depending on Which Viewpoint You View it, to Make a -=Under God=- Estate Corrupt. (IE. ONE NATION un-der GOD). Religion will Play it's Part on it, Each Fighting from their Fronts. The Word of Old coming Apparent Again. Both Religion and Politics As With any Lifestyle Category. So Whereas i Can See that This Might be Considered MORE Pleasant to Keep Both Apart, the World in it's Hypeness 'will Fund Way's to Add to the Game they R PLAYING; Each Piggy Banking (Their); In their Worldly Affairs. Law's Can be Changed; Religious Law's Can be Corrupted. Only the Incorruptible SEED. Those Born of the Spirit Can Prevail in a Dark DIM World that this is not of My Kingdom Yeshuah Spoke even in the Day of His Age. No Different then the Current Ages as Any Age itself. We Battle Not Against Flesh and Blood, But With...[] This is the .... THE REALITY of What a Human Sentient Being Feels; GOES THROUGH.

So Whether State And Religion Should Stay Separate is A Small Matter/Question, if in Fact it Should Ask; "How Long Shall Corruption Reign, Within ReliGiOn And Within - Thus ... The State".[]

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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
That is human history in general.


I do too. Religion has a place in society, but I wouldn't want to live in a theocracy. On the other hand, some people want such a system of governance.
“Theocracy,” through any human interpretation, is still “human rule”... except by more pious, arrogant and self-righteous people.

No thanks!

I’ll wait for the real Kingdom of God to “come”! -Matthew 6:9-10.

Only His “throne” will bring better conditions! -Revelation 21:3-4, ESV...

And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people,2 and God himself will be with them as their God.3 4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
 
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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
An honest question for you, Cowboy. Is not the whole Universe the Kingdom of God, which would include Earth?
Well, I don’t think so, because Jesus taught us (Christians) to pray for it to “come.” The universe is....here... we’re in it.

I feel it’s the “government” mentioned in Isaiah 9:6-7.
 

SeekerOnThePath

On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam
While the union between religion and politics might be a very old issue, I honestly can't think of anything good coming out of it. It's like water and oil. Some things just don't mix.
One can say that in ancient Egypt the pharaoh was the political leader of the country and was also considered a god, but well, things have changed a bit since 5000 years ago. The ancient empires are all gone, and they disappeared for a good reason.
When asked about politics, Jesus answered that his kingdom wasn't part of this world (John 18:36) and he never got involved in political issues. However, his example wasn't followed by many religious leaders that throughout history kept meddling and getting involved in state affairs, many times with disastrous consequences for the people: manipulating and influencing state figures according to their personal agenda, influencing elections, getting involved in wars, accepting bribes, etc, etc, etc.
I like the idea of separating religion and state, and can't think of any good reason why they should ever be together. Maybe someone else has a different point of view?

The Abrahamic religions and Politics are inseparable.

Even the Dharmic religions have strong Political components.
 

SeekerOnThePath

On a mountain between Nietzsche and Islam
Mixing the two corrupts both.

Isn't that an Anarchronistic statement, seeing that the western sentiment of "separation of Church and State" is millennia after these religions originated?
Such a concept is absent from the entire worldviews of these religions.

You can of course say that you don't like when your secular politics intersects with religion(s) but that is a different statement compared to what you're implying.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Cowboy, how can we know happiness without knowing sadness, pleasure without knowing pain?

Best Wishes
We would definitely come to appreciate happiness more, that’s for sure!

We’ve had enough sadness already! We wouldn’t forget!

Although, note the promise @ Isaiah 65:17...

If a person would want to remember... I guess they could.

Best wishes to you too, my cousin.
 

Salty Booger

Royal Crown Cola (RC)
Although, note the promise @ Isaiah 65:17...
We would definitely come to appreciate happiness more, that’s for sure!

We’ve had enough sadness already! We wouldn’t forget!

Although, note the promise @ Isaiah 65:17...

If a person would want to remember... I guess they could.

Best wishes to you too, my cousin.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
 
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