Problems with Devil Worship ?

[RevOxley_501]

Why do you, (if you really do) reject the gift Christ has given the world? I don't understand it. Why rebel from Love, Divine Mercy and the Grace of Jesus Christ? Also the friendship He offers? Why do you want to reject the truth? The Holy Spirit has been to me. The presence of God drives me, I am hungary for him, thirsty for Him. I have followed and I can tell you that I have had my fills. I also am not even close to being who I want and need to be. I tell you now, I can see I can feel Christ. I want you to know Him and I am still striving to know Him even more. I can feel His love, His gentleness and friendship. I have had the glimpse of Christ's presence, in the air and sky and ground. this did not come on my sleep but in the day. I saw and felt the surrounding presence (I was there) He was standing on a beach, white grey sand, dark blue sky around dusk time with white or gray smooth thin clouds with small amount of orange/red tint in a little part of the sky. I only saw his feet with brown worn out sandles on. There was a small wood cannoe or boat beached near, I knew He was fishing, but not for fish. God Almighty, so peaceful, So great, the feeling so innocent and Graced by the Gift of Christ. The Presence I have had, the place is all good around you. The feeling of newness and clean all over, away forever from evil and suffering. It was the air too, very pure and your body had no burden on it. Your mind so clear and free. No strain on anything but there was purpose there. Greater than anything you could imagine on earth. The Purpose is true and the way. The Purouse is to be with Christ and to have friendship in everlasing love and grace in his kingdom that He made because He loves us. To spend eternity in the place of Great purpose. He made it so, so it is so. I will praise His name now and forever in His kingdom. No one ever deserves His kingdom, only through His selfless sacrifice of His sinless Divine being and forgiveness on the cross are we cleaned from our ultimate sins which is ultimate death. He has Divine Mercy love and Grace and this is how we make it, not on our own doings.

You reject the one who so loved the world He came suffered and died for us so that we could be with him forever if we believed in Him.

Don't take this a bad way. I have the will to follow the truth which is in Jesus Christ I have just shared. It is never easy, there are the ups and downs. But I have faith and have been blessed with other things that could only have come from Christ.

That is why there is a problem with worshiping any other than the Almighty Father.

umm...i think you are oversimplifying the beliefs of these people...and that is disrespectful

 

[Ðanisty]

I want to remind people that this thread is only about whether Satanism allows devil worship. Unless you are a Satanist, you can't answer the question as it was asked.

 

[IanAlmighty]

Final Answer: Satanism (theistic or atheistic) is anti-worship por el general.

 

[Ðanisty]

I agree with you depending on how you define worship.

 

[IanAlmighty]

Well you can pay homage and adoration to a deity you believe in without worshipping it.

 

[Ðanisty]

Well you can pay homage and adoration to a deity you believe in without worshipping it.

Define worship. Some define worship as adoration. Some people define it as submission. Submission is never acceptable on the LHP. It all really depends on your definition of the word.

 

[des]

Ok, this is just a question re: this subject, because I have come to think of it as a myth. That, maybe someone has, but that Satanism doesn't really "worship" satan, and that this was just Christian hysteria. Hysteria was at a height during the 80s I think. Several preschools were closed when children under aggressive and leadign questioning claimed their teachers not only molested them but did other bizarre things which always included things like satan worship and sacrificing and even eating babies. They buried bodies under floorboards and stuff like that. There were other people who recalled early child abuse "remembered" under hypnosis. Then they "remembered" other things such as Satan worship and often baby sacrifice was involved. Needless to say, despite the fact that these people had their lives ruined, no baby bodies were ever discovered.

Anyway, the thing is I have always thought of this whole idea as a gigantic
Christian fear. (I mean among some Christians.) Baby sacrifice was often added to add to the scare factor. (Similar fears were given against Jews and Christians as well, at one time.)

Anyway, I was curious what others thought about that?


--des

 

[Ðanisty]

Ok, this is just a question re: this subject, because I have come to think of it as a myth. That, maybe someone has, but that Satanism doesn't really "worship" satan, and that this was just Christian hysteria. Hysteria was at a height during the 80s I think. Several preschools were closed when children under aggressive and leadign questioning claimed their teachers not only molested them but did other bizarre things which always included things like satan worship and sacrificing and even eating babies. They buried bodies under floorboards and stuff like that. There were other people who recalled early child abuse "remembered" under hypnosis. Then they "remembered" other things such as Satan worship and often baby sacrifice was involved. Needless to say, despite the fact that these people had their lives ruined, no baby bodies were ever discovered.

Anyway, the thing is I have always thought of this whole idea as a gigantic
Christian fear. (I mean among some Christians.) Baby sacrifice was often added to add to the scare factor. (Similar fears were given against Jews and Christians as well, at one time.)

Anyway, I was curious what others thought about that?


--des

You're absolutely right. What you're referring to is know as the "Satanic Panic" and it has been since proven that these claims of "Satanic Ritual Abuse" were bogus.

 

[des]

Ok, another question related to the topic:
I just thought of something else. Wouldn't worshiping Satan be, in essence, worshipping the Christian God?

Here's how I came to this idea:
It is really Christianity (I think also Islam, but in Islam Satan isn't quite as irredeemable-- gets saved in "end times". Satan, afaik, has never really been much a part of Judaism) that created Satan. Satan would not really exist outside the structures of Christianity. After all, Satan is really one of God's angels that fell (too proud and all that). So in order to "worship" Satan, one would have to "worship" the Christian God or at least "believe" in some respect in the Christian God.
BTW, I'm quite sure someone, somewhere has probably worshipped Satan. It figures as people have worshipped just about everything else.
Just it isn't Satanism, it is something else kind of thing, and not at all that widespread. Certainly as much as some Christians have feared. (I don't know why they would fear it so much. Wouldn't the Christian God be strong enough to deal with that?)

What do you think about that?

--des

 

[IanAlmighty]

Well yeah. Devil-worship is pretty much considered a very strange form of Christianity. The only thing that makes devil-worship un-abramic is the fact that most Christians, Jews and Muslims believe that there is no one who matches God in power and those who worship a said Devil would have to believe that the deity they worship wields some amount of power against a said God.

 

[Ðanisty]

Ok, another question related to the topic:
I just thought of something else. Wouldn't worshiping Satan be, in essence, worshipping the Christian God?

Here's how I came to this idea:
It is really Christianity (I think also Islam, but in Islam Satan isn't quite as irredeemable-- gets saved in "end times". Satan, afaik, has never really been much a part of Judaism) that created Satan. Satan would not really exist outside the structures of Christianity. After all, Satan is really one of God's angels that fell (too proud and all that). So in order to "worship" Satan, one would have to "worship" the Christian God or at least "believe" in some respect in the Christian God.
BTW, I'm quite sure someone, somewhere has probably worshipped Satan. It figures as people have worshipped just about everything else.
Just it isn't Satanism, it is something else kind of thing, and not at all that widespread. Certainly as much as some Christians have feared. (I don't know why they would fear it so much. Wouldn't the Christian God be strong enough to deal with that?)

What do you think about that?

--des

Theistic Satanism does exist and there are Satanists who believe in the Christian God. That does not make them worshippers of the Christian God nor does that make them any kind of Christian. A lot more is required to be a Christian than to just believe God is real.

 

[des]

Yes, that's all I was implying, that this involves the Christian God.
Christianity often makes very strict designations as to who is Christian or no. According to my fundy brother, I am not a Christian, and never was one. (Of course, at present not sure that I, some church attendance not withstanding.)

--des

>Theistic Satanism does exist and there are Satanists who believe in the Christian God. That does not make them worshippers of the Christian God nor does that make them any kind of Christian. A lot more is required to be a Christian than to just believe God is real.

 

[Ðanisty]

Yes, that's all I was implying, that this involves the Christian God.
Christianity often makes very strict designations as to who is Christian or no. According to my fundy brother, I am not a Christian, and never was one. (Of course, at present not sure that I, some church attendance not withstanding.)

Well, I'm not even talking about ridiculous restrictions either. I simply do not believe Jesus is my savior and with that, there's no way to be a Christian in any sense.

 

[IanAlmighty]

But if so-called Theistic Satanists believe in YHVH/Jehovah/Yahweh/Shaddai/Eloheim/Allah/Adonai/etc ad infinitum, then that does make them an Abramic religion, does it not?

 

[Ðanisty]

But if so-called Theistic Satanists believe in YHVH/Jehovah/Yahweh/Shaddai/Eloheim/Allah/Adonai/etc ad infinitum, then that does make them an Abramic religion, does it not?

I suppose that depends on who you ask. Personally, if you'd like to say that Theistic Luciferianism is an Abrahamic religion, go right ahead. As long as everyone remembers two things, I'm fine. I do not submit to any deity and I reject God as any kind of benevolent entity. Of course, I'm not entirely sure what makes a religion Abrahamic...maybe there's more to it than I think. Do followers of an Abrahamic religion have to recognize God as the supreme being? Does their faith require worship of said God? I honestly don't know.

We should also remember that not all theists on the LHP follow the Judeo-Christian mythology strictly. Many follow multiple mythologies.

 

[XAAX]

When you guys are refering to satanism, are you refering to the biblical sense, or the other...I know of both, I was just wondering?

 

[IanAlmighty]

We're referring to modern forms of Satanism. Specifically, Laveyan and Theistic or Spiritual Satanism.
Biblical Satanism is virtually non-existant nowadays.

 

[Kungfuzed]

I'm not sure exactly what you want to know...lol. I'm a theist. I believe Lucifer is a real entity (specifically an angel). I believe that what transpired in the Bible is as true as it can be. Obviously the earth is more than a few thousand years old, etc. but for the most part, I take the story as history written from the other perspective. There is no history written from Lucifer's perspective. Or, at least, there isn't anymore. I share a lot of ideas with Gnostics, actually. So, if you know of anything about gnosticism, it may be helpful for you to think of Lucifer as an representation of Sophia. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I'm much better at that than just writing randomly about Luciferianisim. I'm afraid I'll just keep rambling. The basics are this: Lucifer isn't evil, he's humanity's friend, he sacrificed all to help us.

So is the Lucifer you believe in the Lucifer of the Bible or not? I have to admit that I'm reading about this for the first time and haven't ever looked into Satanism or Luciferianism. What you said in this post seems to clash with post 9:

90% of them don't see Satan as the devil of the Christian bible, so no, they are not inverse Christians.

Can you explain a little more? Is there any relationship between Satanism and the Bible?

 

[astarath]

See I find this puzzling because originally Satan existed as the true sense of the word "adversary or test/er" So in the old testament satan appearing as the snake is in all actuality a tester in the guise of a snake.

When satan plagued Job it was a tester of Job's faith.

I do not feel that the biblical Satan neccessarily needs to be the one to which Luciferians and Satanists ascribe to as an entity.

However I can believe that the catholic church willed this association in order to desecrate any knowledge regarding the subject as has happened on so many other occasions to so many other faiths and sexes (paganism,gnosticism, women, Judaism, Islam)

 

[astarath]

I suppose that depends on who you ask. Personally, if you'd like to say that Theistic Luciferianism is an Abrahamic religion, go right ahead. As long as everyone remembers two things, I'm fine. I do not submit to any deity and I reject God as any kind of benevolent entity. Of course, I'm not entirely sure what makes a religion Abrahamic...maybe there's more to it than I think. Do followers of an Abrahamic religion have to recognize God as the supreme being? Does their faith require worship of said God? I honestly don't know.

We should also remember that not all theists on the LHP follow the Judeo-Christian mythology strictly. Many follow multiple mythologies.

I think this is the key difference the other Abrahmaic faiths worhship and submit to the lord. I think this is neccessary in order to follow the tenets of Abraham who would sacrifice his own son in order to show worship to God.