Pro Homosexual Evidence.

[Skwim]

I think you're right because I've seen both in myself. I also think its possible we're all really bisexual, and gay or straight means we lean toward opposite ends of spectrum very strongly.

Yup.

"Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women). This range of behaviors and attractions has been described in various cultures and nations throughout the world. Many cultures use identity labels to describe people who express these attractions."
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[FearGod]

Didn't you find yet a woman carrying a man on her shoulder

 

[Storm]

Gods, I feel very sorry for eselam at this point. You people realise he's gotta sort through all this crap next time he signs in right?

Ooops!

Sorry, e!

 

[FearGod]

Gods, I feel very sorry for eselam at this point. You people realise he's gotta sort through all this crap next time he signs in right?

Yes,he will be shocked to find many links and resources about homosexuality,
specially the way they shake hands.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Gods, I feel very sorry for eselam at this point. You people realise he's gotta sort through all this crap next time he signs in right?

These things happen. He should be used to it by now.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

See that's why I haven't posted any links for the OP to try to suggest we are born homosexual. I don't know that. No one knows that. I don't think its given people are born heterosexual either.

Traditional understanding of sexuality could be wrong entirely. There's a lot to suggest human sexuality is quite fluid.

How then do I make an argument for my being gay? Simple- I know my own feelings and attractions.

 

[beenie]

One question regarding homosexuality,

Let us say that gays are born with such character to have tend toward men,
but the question what makes men to accept a relation with gays ,do real
men also have a tend toward gays.

"Real men"?

So both are gays,then who act like real man and the other as woman or they
interchange the act.

Define "real", please. :sarcastic

As a real man,i got a girl friend before long time ago ,i used to carry her on the beach and running inside and she feel excited and i through her to water while she is shouting with
excitement,do gays also do the same or do girls can carry men and through them inside the beach.

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What does this have to do with the price of prunes?

Yes,he will be shocked to find many links and resources about homosexuality,
specially the way they shake hands.

Oh.My.God.



Sorry eselam.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Didn't you find yet a woman carrying a man on her shoulder

 

[Jainarayan]

Yes,he will be shocked to find many links and resources about homosexuality,
specially the way they shake hands.

Oh.My.God.

That was my bad.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

That was my bad.

No, it was mine. I suggested the secret handshakes after all. Everything went down hill from there. Eselam's a good guy, he'll be tolerant of our lack of self control and tendency to wander off topic.

 

[FearGod]

OMG,Many resources for Eslam to check by tomorrow with photos

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Here's some more information on the biology of sexual orientation:
Biology and sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is what the human rights group Amnesty International has to say about discrimination and prejudice against people based on gender identity and sexual orientation. Please note, eselam, that Amnesty International is a vocal supporter of human rights for Palestinians:
Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity | Amnesty International

To understand sexual orientation, I think it's critical to first understand that the biology of gender is not always straightforward, as this article explains:
Gender identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Think about it. Some people are born, biologically, as a mixture of "male" and "female". Some people are mentally a particular gender which is different from their biological gender. These are well-documented facts. Appreciating the fact that variability exists in something as simple as a person's gender is the first step to understanding that variability also exists in sexual orientation.

 

[Aquitaine]

not at all hun...
in fact my eyes are getting wider and wider...

Easy Tiger xD

 

[Alceste]

See that's why I haven't posted any links for the OP to try to suggest we are born homosexual. I don't know that. No one knows that. I don't think its given people are born heterosexual either.

Traditional understanding of sexuality could be wrong entirely. There's a lot to suggest human sexuality is quite fluid.

How then do I make an argument for my being gay? Simple- I know my own feelings and attractions.

It might be more accurate to say we are born asexual - all we are interested in is getting a boob into our faces. Sexual attraction doesn't really happen until puberty. The prepubescent libido is directed in all sorts of bizarre directions. Dinosaurs, Hot Wheels, Barbie dolls, scummy old blankets...

So at that point, do people have any choice who they are attracted to? There's no evidence that we do. I know I don't. Studies show that men who express the highest degree of discomfort with homosexuality become aroused when exposed to gay porn, unlike men who are OK with gays. If raging homophophes could control their arousal at the sight of gay porn, I'm sure they would.

 

[Aquitaine]

It might be more accurate to say we are born asexual - all we are interested in is getting a boob into our faces. Sexual attraction doesn't really happen until puberty. The prepubescent libido is directed in all sorts of bizarre directions. Dinosaurs, Hot Wheels, Barbie dolls, scummy old blankets...

So at that point, do people have any choice who they are attracted to? There's no evidence that we do. I know I don't. Studies show that

men who express the highest degree of discomfort with homosexuality become aroused when exposed to gay porn, unlike men who are OK with gays. If raging homophophes could control their arousal at the sight of gay porn, I'm sure they would.

I always knew those old Homophobes were closet gheeeeys! xD

 

[Alceste]

I always knew those old Homophobes were closet gheeeeys! xD

Yup, a great case of intuition validated by evidence.

 

[Debater Slayer]

By "pro-homosexual evidence", do you mean data that suggests that homosexuality is not an acquired trait but rather a congenital one/one that isn't acquired?

As others have already pointed out in this thread, there are some animals which have been claimed to exhibit homosexual as well as bisexual behavior; however, what I'm going to talk about here is different in that it presumably comes from Muslims who are homosexual themselves. They sent questions to Islamic websites asking for help because they had to curb their sexual desires, and some of them even told of how they cut off ties with their friends to avoid arousing their sexual desires.

The aforementioned questions and their answers are in Arabic, so I'd have to translate them for others to see, but I'm not sure if most people would like to read those; I know I didn't feel good at all while reading them.

Also, if we assume that some of the people who sent those questions were non-Muslims pretending to be struggling homosexual Muslims just to make Islam look bad and/or cruel, that will still not explain the number of people who posted about their ordeals there: there were at least 50 posts in the comments section of one of said questions, and a lot of them mentioned similar problems with their sexual desires. I strongly doubt that they all lied, especially considering that a lot of the posters seemed sincerely struggling from their tones.

At least two questioners also mentioned that they were never subjected to any kind of sexual abuse... that they were raised in a "completely normal" environment and in very healthy households -- and at least one other questioner said that he had seen more than one psychiatrist to help him, but all of the psychiatrists he had seen told him that "we have no cure for this disease as this is the nature of a homosexual person", i.e. it is not an acquired trait that can be changed or "cured" in some way.

Once again I iterate that I didn't translate any of said questions or answers then posted them here because I felt deeply disturbed while reading them, and I strongly suspect that this would be the case with most people here, which is why I went with reported speech instead.

 

[Alceste]

By "pro-homosexual evidence", do you mean data that suggests that homosexuality is not an acquired trait but rather a congenital one/one that isn't acquired?

As others have already pointed out in this thread, there are some animals which have been claimed to exhibit homosexual as well as bisexual behavior; however, what I'm going to talk about here is different in that it presumably comes from Muslims who are homosexual themselves. They sent questions to Islamic websites asking for help because they had to curb their sexual desires, and some of them even told of how they cut off ties with their friends to avoid arousing their sexual desires.

The aforementioned questions and their answers are in Arabic, so I'd have to translate them for others to see, but I'm not sure if most people would like to read those; I know I didn't feel good at all while reading them.

Also, if we assume that some of the people who sent those questions were non-Muslims pretending to be struggling homosexual Muslims just to make Islam look bad and/or cruel, that will still not explain the number of people who posted about their ordeals there: there were at least 50 posts in the comments section of one of said questions, and a lot of them mentioned similar problems with their sexual desires. I strongly doubt that they all lied, especially considering that a lot of the posters seemed sincerely struggling from their tones.

At least two questioners also mentioned that they were never subjected to any kind of sexual abuse... that they were raised in a "completely normal" environment and in very healthy households -- and at least one other questioner said that he had seen more than one psychiatrist to help him, but all of the psychiatrists he had seen told him that "we have no cure for this disease as this is the nature of a homosexual person", i.e. it is not an acquired trait that can be changed or "cured" in some way.

Once again I iterate that I didn't translate any of said questions or answers then posted them here because I felt deeply disturbed while reading them, and I strongly suspect that this would be the case with most people here, which is why I went with reported speech instead.

Why would anyone feel disturbed by reading the words of Muslim homosexuals discussing homosexuality? I can't read Arabic, but perhaps you could translate.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Why would anyone feel disturbed by reading the words of Muslim homosexuals discussing homosexuality? I can't read Arabic, but perhaps you could translate.

I was disturbed while reading it because of how much those people seemed to be suffering. I felt terrible for them and what they had/have to go through, but I could do nothing to help.

I'll have to find the link again, though I'd like to know how many posts you'd like translated. A rough estimate would be good.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Are there many Muslims who are accepting of openly gay Muslims? Meaning that accept they are gay and maybe even have a partner. (I know there are out Muslims)