Pray Away. (the gay)

[DNB]

Calling homosexuality a "lifestyle" signals that you're not merely unconvinced it's involuntary, but that you're convinced that it is voluntary.

Who I date isn't a lifestyle. You could fill in men instead of women and my lifestyle would still be my lifestyle.

That's correct, the term lifestyle can imply volition. But, I thought that I was using the common phraseology to denote what the ultimate results of any behavioral pattern is - it becomes a lifestyle - because we decide to follow through with it.
If I'm having uncontrollable urges to strangle a colleague, i need to suppress those thoughts - I've chosen a lifestyle of pacificity and non-violence. In other words, having urges is not always the offense, it is following through with them that defines what type of environment or lifestyle that you will create around you.

 

[DNB]

Biologically speaking?
You think the only reason sex happens is to create babies, and that all the bits are generally placed where God 'designed' them to be placed?

That flies in the face of a LOT of evidence to the contrary.

Not sure if I got your point?
Mine was, the anatomy determines one's gender, and what the appendages and organs are for (where they fit and function correctly). That's axiomatic and beyond contention.
So why such oblivion to the fact the many believe that a homosexual relationship defies and corrupts this natural symbiosis? Especially when, historically speaking, man has proven to be so deranged and perverse when it comes to sexual compulsions (bestiality, pedophilia, sodomy, necrophilia, ...). Non consent nor injury, does not always define the crime alone, other factors determine the offense also..

 

[Meow Mix]

That's correct, the term lifestyle can imply volition. But, I thought that I was using the common phraseology to denote what the ultimate results of any behavioral pattern is - it becomes a lifestyle - because we decide to follow through with it.
If I'm having uncontrollable urges to strangle a colleague, i need to suppress those thoughts - I've chosen a lifestyle of pacificity and non-violence. In other words, having urges is not always the offense, it is following through with them that defines what type of environment or lifestyle that you will create around you.

I guess, inasmuch as heterosexuality is a lifestyle under this schema too, then.

 

[Justanatheist]

With all the strange sexual fetishes and perversions out there, your stances should be that you can recognize why some may take offense to such a lifestyle, and that they may not be convinced that it's involuntary, but rather that you don't agree with the approach taken to express the disapproval or remedy of it.
I find the act repulsive, and I find that in gay men their characters are almost farcical (flamboyant, effeminate, dramatic), therefore incriminating, to a large degree, the acts that they engage in. That is, it's been often said that they are women in men's bodies. If that's not an indictment to their lifestyle, then I don't know what is, or how much more peculiar that it needs to get to ascertain the harm? I think that one day Ru-Paul and Boy-George are just going to wake up and feel utterly ashamed and embarrassed when they look in the mirror.

So how do you feel about these sexual deviants with their flamboyant women's clothes? They eat the flesh of their god and drink his blood how repulsive is that?
I know a bisexual man who in his youth was RSM for one of the toughest regiments in the British services, if you were to call him effeminate even though he is in his 70s I reckon he would still break your neck, be careful who you insult out in the real world, you might well find that not all LGBT types are the simpering little wimps you appear to think.

Don't kid yourselves that consent implies no consequence - we've all regretted in the past many things that we've consented to, even if it was a decision just between ourselves with no apparent quantifiable loss - the shame spoke for itself (not a cultural bias).

No do not judge me by your own sad standards, I have never woken up and regretted anything I consented to. Here is an idea, if you are going to feel shame for your actions, show some restraint and do not do them.

I am a sinner as much as anyone else, and arguably more, I just don't promote or excuse what I know to be wrong or weak about myself, as being inoffensive or harmless.

You might be a sinner but again do not try to drag others down to your level, I have never committed a sin in my life.

 

[Justanatheist]

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:10
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Is this supposed to mean something to me, the ignorant writings of iron age, desert dwelling, goat herders? I would no more care about what they say than I would refer a medical practice from the iron age. What point are you trying to make by these quotes? This is the 21st centaury our morals are based on knowledge which these people were completely ignorant of.

 

[Justanatheist]

Mine was, the anatomy determines one's gender,

Wrong but if you are going just by iron age ideas rather than modern science your ignorance is understandable.

Chromosomes hold genes. They’re the tiny pieces of DNA that tell our cells what to do. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes. One pair consists of sex chromosomes . They come in two forms: X’s and Y’s. Women have two X’s. So when they share half of each pair of chromosomes with their offspring, the sex chromosome they offer will always be an X. Men have an X and a Y. So if dad shares an X chromosome with his child, it will make a girl (XX). If he shares a Y chromosome, the child will be male (XY). Or at least, that’s usually the case.

When it comes to sex, researchers have learned that biology can be more complicated than just ‘boy’ or ‘girl.’ For instance, some people carry two X chromosomes mixed with a fragment of a Y chromosome. These people develop into what look to be males. That happens even though the presence of two X chromosomes means that they are female, at least biologically.

Gender: When the body and brain disagree

 

[Mock Turtle]

Well guys, I would've expected a bit more balance in most of your sentiments, that is, failing to see the slightest oddity in the LGBTQ lifestyle?
Simply biologically speaking, there is an extreme peculiarity in attempting to either engage or create a symbiosis between two matching polarities. One will not fit or allow amalgamation with the other. It does not take an erudite to recognize this elementary and fundamental principle. In that, all life as we know it, either came about or is precipitated by the acknowledgement and abidance of this intrinsic fact.
Why is there no mitigation on behalf of the anti-gay community, who sees such behaviour as a perversion, and defiance to what nature has dictated as being abnormal, unhealthy and against procreation? Certainly some of you pro-homosexual advocates can appreciate this axiomatic fact?

With all the strange sexual fetishes and perversions out there, your stances should be that you can recognize why some may take offense to such a lifestyle, and that they may not be convinced that it's involuntary, but rather that you don't agree with the approach taken to express the disapproval or remedy of it.
I find the act repulsive, and I find that in gay men their characters are almost farcical (flamboyant, effeminate, dramatic), therefore incriminating, to a large degree, the acts that they engage in. That is, it's been often said that they are women in men's bodies. If that's not an indictment to their lifestyle, then I don't know what is, or how much more peculiar that it needs to get to ascertain the harm? I think that one day Ru-Paul and Boy-George are just going to wake up and feel utterly ashamed and embarrassed when they look in the mirror.

Don't kid yourselves that consent implies no consequence - we've all regretted in the past many things that we've consented to, even if it was a decision just between ourselves with no apparent quantifiable loss - the shame spoke for itself (not a cultural bias).

I am a sinner as much as anyone else, and arguably more, I just don't promote or excuse what I know to be wrong or weak about myself, as being inoffensive or harmless.

@exchemist

Leviticus 18:22
22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:10
10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Perhaps if this wasn't coming from a religious perspective - with all the customary cites - one might take you seriously, but then it can also come from culture, background, and/or misinformation or lack of knowledge. Looking back, I think I would be the last person to be defending such an area, other than that I try to be rational when looking at such issues. Which you are certainly not being.

You perhaps need to look at how common such behaviour is in other species before pronouncing on how unnatural it is - even as to bonobo sexual behaviour, our closest primate relatives. Your projections as to who homosexuals are is a bit wide too, since I've met many who would pass for a straight person 365 days of the year. They apparently were just born with this sexual orientation, although I never got the opportunity to discuss such with them - the origins as they saw such.

You feel repulsion - your problem. Many of us are repulsed by religious beliefs, and these are far less natural but many feel they are.

I think that one day Ru-Paul and Boy-George are just going to wake up and feel utterly ashamed and embarrassed when they look in the mirror.

Well that is unlikely to happen to you, since you don't seem capable of independent thought, but are merely guided/controlled by your belief system - as many are. And hence probably, a bigot.

And why not quote - judge not, lest ye be judged?

 

[Meow Mix]

Non consent nor injury, does not always define the crime.

If harm or victimization don't, what does?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you forgive the religious bigots who show so much contrition?

Forgive for what? As long as no one is forced into it, who cares. If someone feels like being LGB/T doesn't fit into their religious paradigm and wants to try to change it or not express it, that's their business and right.

 

[Justanatheist]

Forgive for what? As long as no one is forced into it, who cares. If someone feels like being LGB/T doesn't fit into their religious paradigm and wants to try to change it or not express it, that's their business and right.

Coercion and lying, never underestimate the power of a cult.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Coercion and lying, never underestimate the power of a cult.

What does that have to do with what I said? That's a random statement with no context.

 

[Justanatheist]

What does that have to do with what I said? That's a random statement with no context.

You asked what is there to forgive them for, coercion and lying, what are you struggling with?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You asked what is there to forgive them for, coercion and lying, what are you struggling with?

Because it wasn't clear that's what you were referring to.

 

[Justanatheist]

Because it wasn't clear that's what you were referring to.

Right got anything to say about the coercion and lying of these people?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Right got anything to say about the coercion and lying of these people?

No?

 

[Sand Dancer]

That's correct, the term lifestyle can imply volition. But, I thought that I was using the common phraseology to denote what the ultimate results of any behavioral pattern is - it becomes a lifestyle - because we decide to follow through with it.
If I'm having uncontrollable urges to strangle a colleague, i need to suppress those thoughts - I've chosen a lifestyle of pacificity and non-violence. In other words, having urges is not always the offense, it is following through with them that defines what type of environment or lifestyle that you will create around you.

Our brains control for sexual orientation, not violence. It's sad that you think these are similar points. The Bible has been taken out of context on so many points. It's sad.We need to read about times in which these books were written to find the historical and cultural context.

 

[GardenLady]

Non consent nor injury, does not always define the crime.

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Non-consent absolutely defines a crime.

 

[DNB]

I guess, inasmuch as heterosexuality is a lifestyle under this schema too, then.

Yes, that would be my position.

 

[DNB]

So how do you feel about these sexual deviants with their flamboyant women's clothes? They eat the flesh of their god and drink his blood how repulsive is that?
I know a bisexual man who in his youth was RSM for one of the toughest regiments in the British services, if you were to call him effeminate even though he is in his 70s I reckon he would still break your neck, be careful who you insult out in the real world, you might well find that not all LGBT types are the simpering little wimps you appear to think.

The RC Church has not gained my respect in any manner - moot point. Cross-dressing and gender reversing is prevalent in that LGBTQ community, that doesn't mean without exception.

No do not judge me by your own sad standards, I have never woken up and regretted anything I consented to. Here is an idea, if you are going to feel shame for your actions, show some restraint and do not do them.

Well aren't you brilliant, ...now try and stay on topic?

You might be a sinner but again do not try to drag others down to your level, I have never committed a sin in my life.

I guarantee that you are an exemplary sinner, ...probably more than others - your oblivion alone indicts you.

 

[DNB]

Is this supposed to mean something to me, the ignorant writings of iron age, desert dwelling, goat herders? I would no more care about what they say than I would refer a medical practice from the iron age. What point are you trying to make by these quotes? This is the 21st centaury our morals are based on knowledge which these people were completely ignorant of.

Someone quoted in this thread that the Bible does not condemn or repudiate homosexuality - these verses were for them, or anyone else who shares the same sentiments, irrespective if they feel bound to it or not.