Pornography and the internet

[ecco]

I know I can not say what others should or should not like, that is not my task in life.

That's good.

But to me, I see no need to see or hear about sexuality in public room, and yes I am maybe super conservative toward this topic.

"Maybe"?

It is a sexual theme all over now, and i do not feel comfortable with it.

Many people do not feel comfortable having conservative religious views adopted by the Government.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That's good.

"Maybe"?

Many people do not feel comfortable having conservative religious views adopted by the Government.

I don't see conservatism as bad. It only means we see something that is not needed and we take distance from it

 

[ecco]

Many people do not feel comfortable having conservative religious views adopted by the Government.

I don't see conservatism as bad. It only means we see something that is not needed and we take distance from it

"Taking distance" from something is one thing. Forcing your beliefs on others is something altogether different.

Conservative laws:
Prohibition
Sunday Blue Laws
Pushing "In God We Trust" on many things

 

[Spirit of Light]

"Taking distance" from something is one thing. Forcing your beliefs on others is something altogether different.

Conservative laws:
Prohibition
Sunday Blue Laws
Pushing "In God We Trust" on many things

All i said was that i find pornography to have no usage in my life. And that i dont watch it. What others do is not up to me

 

[Riders]

I as a recovering porn addict would like to see more programs come out for porn addiction through the church and secular programs.

I worry about the addiction spreading.Id like to see more better systems to download on computers for keeping porn out.

Id Id l to see more laws passed to make it harder on those who make and watch kiddie porn and also laws regarding animals and violent sex as well.i don't think we ought to tolerate violence that some porn shows.

There's is a movie in cable on demand under documentaries called addiction to porn chasing the cardboard butterfly it's really good movie for those who can watch it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The website I got it from in 2011 is down but I did a 5000+ word report on Playboy magazine in 2012 so I did manage to put down the statistics and where the website got the statistics from. Here are a few from Marshall, 1988:

"Child molesters (87% of girl molesters, 77% of boy molesters) regularly watched hardcore pornography"

"A survey done in 1988 found 86% of rapists regularly watched pornography. 56% [of the rapists] said they imitated favourite porn scenes during their crimes"

Here's one from Cole, 1998:

" An analysis of Playboy, Penthouse and Hustler done between 1954 and 1978 revealed almost 4000 images of children in sexual and violent situations. Hustler's arrival to the industry in 1972 was significant in increasing these numbers"

Here's one worth investigating,

"Rape in America has gone up fivefold since 1960"

according to National Victim Center/ National Coalition for the Protection of Women and Families- US News and World Report, 1997

The reason I say it's worth investigating is I don't know the 1960 and 1997 rape statistics of America. Obviously the higher the population the higher the number of rapes but it seems to me it's rising way quicker than population growth. Either blame porn or blame immigration because that too is linked to crime

The website had more but it's not there anymore. Anyway, you can Google the above quotes with the safe search off

Those studies are very old and the claims about Playboy, Hustler and Penthouse make any sense. None of those are child porn mags and are mainstream. Playboy is very tame softcore porn, too. None of them have BDSM in them, either.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Anyone who thinks porn is less harmful to society than MMA is delusional.

If MMA is too brutal then so is boxing; kickboxing ; taekwondo (knockouts and concussions), amateur wrestling, ju jitsu and judo (joint dislocations and various muscle tears), and American Football and Rugby. Even Ice Hockey has brawls.

MMA… Safer than you think!

Porn is just sex. MMA is people beating the hell out of each other. People have died from it. Those people were essentially beaten to death. Who has died from porn? I'm talking mainstream, adult porn.

What applies to MMA applies to other combat sports. I did mention "other combat sports".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Again, why is it so bad if it's kept on the dark web out of view of the general population. People watching porn on it aren't necessarily going to order drugs too.

Why should I or anyone else have to go out of my way to access legal images of sex? You can't really stream video over the Tor network (what you would be accessing the dark web on), either. It's not set up for it. You're being disingenuous when you say porn is so pervasive and shoved in your face. I know that's not true because you only see porn if you're looking at it. If you're getting porno ads, you're either on a porn site or some sketchy piracy or malware site. Google has search filters, too.

 

[FooYang]

"Taking distance" from something is one thing. Forcing your beliefs on others is something altogether different.

Conservative laws:
Prohibition
Sunday Blue Laws
Pushing "In God We Trust" on many things

Yes, people should stop forcing their beliefs on others. We need to get out of this unscientific, bronze age superstition and make porn a public thing for all people to watch, anywhere. It's about time people stop forcing fear onto others. There is nothing wrong with porn, or public nudity for that matter.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yes, people should stop forcing their beliefs on others. We need to get out of this unscientific, bronze age superstition and make porn a public thing for all people to watch, anywhere. It's about time people stop forcing fear onto others. There is nothing wrong with porn, or public nudity for that matter.

I do not try to force my belief on to others, but why should atheists be allowed to push ****ty porn at us who do not wish it in our life? If porn and nudity was always in public places i would choose to stay indoor

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I do not try to force my belief on to others, but why should atheists be allowed to push ****ty porn at us who do not wish it in our life? If porn and nudity was always in public places i would choose to stay indoor

It's a tricky issue. I'm really not sure now's the time for the whole world to be running around naked, but it does kind of sound like you're making a religious issue out of this (you called people atheists) rather than a political issue.

My problem is, you keep talking about how people shouldn't do this or that in your presence, but when out in public, remember most of the time it isn't up to you. Maybe you do get your way sometimes, but it's not because people have to, it's because people are willing to budge for you.

And it really wouldn't be that big of a deal if you'd just admit you are trying to influence others and quite strongly, rather than sinking back and saying "What people do is up to them."

As for the issue itself, I'm neutral on it, but leaning toward the crowd. I've just been kind of taking a light hearted stance in this thread, because the people proposing alternatives, in my mind, aren't presenting too rational of ideas so far.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It's a tricky issue. I'm really not sure now's the time for the whole world to be running around naked, but it does kind of sound like you're making a religious issue out of this (you called people atheists) rather than a political issue.

My problem is, you keep talking about how people shouldn't do this or that in your presence, but when out in public, remember most of the time it isn't up to you. Maybe you do get your way sometimes, but it's not because people have to, it's because people are willing to budge for you.

And it really wouldn't be that big of a deal if you'd just admit you are trying to influence others and quite strongly, rather than sinking back and saying "What people do is up to them."

As for the issue itself, I'm neutral on it, but leaning toward the crowd. I've just been kind of taking a light-hearted stance in this thread, because the people proposing alternatives, in my mind, aren't presenting too rational of ideas so far.

I try to live a morally good life, i see so much bad morals in the world today.I know i can not change many people but i do wish to make people aware that lack of morality does lead to a ****ty world. The big problem i face is that it seems like only a few people understand what true moral is and how t live by it. And no i am of course not perfect my way of living. But i would NEVER go around naked or have sex in a public place because that can and probably would make others discomfort.

Why is it that when we who do have a spiritual or religious way of life do speak we get shut down, but when non-believers speak they get applauded and people loo up to them?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I try to live a morally good life, i see so much bad morals in the world today.I know i can not change many people but i do wish to make people aware that lack of morality does lead to a ****ty world. The big problem i face is that it seems like only a few people understand what true moral is and how t live by it. And no i am of course not perfect my way of living. But i would NEVER go around naked or have sex in a public place because that can and probably would make others discomfort.

Why is it that when we who do have a spiritual or religious way of life do speak we get shut down, but when non-believers speak they get applauded and people loo up to them?

Well one has to weigh all factors. They can't stop at thinking, "I should do this because it's how I perceive what the stance of my religion would be if it had a voice." They have to look at the political and social side, how it affects others, look at history, and the history of their religion. And once weighing all that, they'll have an educated opinion regardless of what it is, and quite often, that educated opinion isn't too far off from saying "I won't let my ideology decide political issues entirely, and morality doesn't begin and end at religion."

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well one has to weigh all factors. They can't stop at thinking, "I should do this because it's how I perceive what the stance of my religion would be if it had a voice." They have to look at the political and social side, how it affects others, look at history, and the history of their religion. And once weighing all that, they'll have an educated opinion regardless of what it is, and quite often, that educated opinion isn't too far off from saying "I won't let my ideology decide political issues entirely, and morality doesn't begin and end at religion."

Everything is based out from our religious beliefs and understanding when we follow spiritual teaching. and example in Buddhism it says very clearly to not indulge in sexual misconduct. and include porn watching too.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Everything is based out from our religious beliefs and understanding when we follow spiritual teaching. and example in Buddhism it says very clearly to not indulge in sexual misconduct. and include porn watching too.

Isn't there also the statement within Buddhism teachings that "No single person or teacher can redefine precepts."?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Isn't there also the statement within Buddhism teachings that "No single person or teacher can redefine precepts."?

The precepts put down by Buddha can not be changed yes. so for those after Sakyamuni should not change the precepts, 8 folded path or the 4 noble truths, we should follow them

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

The precepts put down by Buddha can not be changed yes. so for those after Sakyamuni should not change the precepts, 8 folded path or the 4 noble truths, we should follow them

Thanks.

Anyways, I'm willing to call it a stalemate until more info is presented which makes me think of new ideas. I'm starting to see everything through a Baha'I lens in life, and some of these other religions also based on the manifestations of God, differ slightly in the tone and what they actually say, but many of them do present a message that seems to be a bit discouraging of premarital sex and such things.

So I think if we ask the question, "For those who are religious and highly sexual, what coherent info do you have that supports such ideas?" and then if anyone responds to such a discussion and it doesn't become too heated, well I think it could be pretty insightful.

 

[Riders]

It's a tricky issue. I'm really not sure now's the time for the whole world to be running around naked, but it does kind of sound like you're making a religious issue out of this (you called people atheists) rather than a political issue.

My problem is, you keep talking about how people shouldn't do this or that in your presence, but when out in public, remember most of the time it isn't up to you. Maybe you do get your way sometimes, but it's not because people have to, it's because people are willing to budge for you.

And it really wouldn't be that big of a deal if you'd just admit you are trying to influence others and quite strongly, rather than sinking back and saying "What people do is up to them."

As for the issue itself, I'm neutral on it, but leaning toward the crowd. I've just been kind of taking a light hearted stance in this thread, because the people proposing alternatives, in my mind, aren't presenting too rational of ideas so far.

But your not addressing the problem with kiddie porn and also porn that depicts violence on women.

What are we as a society going to do about that?, I would not force my ideas on anyone if your not addicted to porn you can look at stuff like Playboy without being affected.

But I'm talking about our society's problem with kid porn and violent porn. What about that?

 

[Mock Turtle]

I don't know if this is uncommon but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't:

GirlsDoPorn.com faces trial for allegedly filming 22 women under false pretenses

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Well, there ya go. Another member of a religious cult who wants something banned. Perhaps the thing to do is ban religious cults who advocate banning anything.

Would you want to Bible banned due to all the sex and violence or would you prefer just eliminating all the rapes, etc from the Bible and publishing a clean version?

Just for the record, I am a member of Bahai faith. Not cult!

If there are certain things in the bible, which promotes harm to people, that part, or practice should be banned. Anything that is harmful to society must be banned. Drinking and driving as an example. I would go farther and say even drinking must be banned not just the drugs, unless a physician prescribes it specifically to a person.