We have a failure to communicate. I'll try again.
I never said that you DID assume that all Kosher companies were corrupt. There are other folks reading along, and there are people who are not as charitable in their thinking as you have proved to be, on most occasions.
I was trying to head off faulty assumptions before they formed, not accuse you of making those assumptions or coming to those conclusions.
See, that is the problem. The Kosher certification organizations ARE watch-dog groups. That is the point of their existence.
Then theses should have websites that the public can access, with updates, reports, exposes, basically information to let the public know what's going on in the industry at any given time.
That is, if these are private organizations unaffiliated with the meat industry or any government agencies.
They aren't likely to publish info when everything is going as it should. They would publish info to show that something has gone wrong.
Publish it where? If they have their own websites it isn't likely they're going to limit their reporting to the bad news. Most websites don't operate that way.
No news is good news, and if nothing is wrong, we aren't likely to hear about well functioning, healthful situations unless they hit a happy milestone.
We aren't likely to hear about it if something goes wrong either. Using the example of the slaughterhouse in the video I posted, what happened there?
This was the worlds largest kosher meat processing plant and they were breaking kosher laws all over the place. And they would still be operating that way if PETA hadn't done an undercover investigation of the place.
Remember: they weren't caught by any Kosher certification organizations (and I'm assuming they were already in existence 8 years ago), they were caught by an independent animal rights organization.
That is why I'm asking what you are looking to see.
I already explained that.
Or, you could take me at my word,
That's just it: you haven't even given me that much. All you said was:
you said:
Do you honestly believe that Jewish authorities haven't put a halt (or, at least attempt to put a halt) to these practices once such things were discovered? I don't
There's nothing there to take your word at. You're not giving me any information. For that matter, I wouldn't even call it an opinion. Sounds more like a guess.
Now if you had told me something like "Hey, I know where my meat is coming from, I know what their practices are, and they're 100% kosher" I would have taken your word for it.
But at this point, it seems fairly certain to me that you don't actually know any of this. You're just guessing and going on faith.
and tell me what kind of thing you are looking for.
Ok how's this: how about giving me the name of one of these kosher certification organizations so I can go on the web and look for their website myself. Or do you know the name of any.
I didn't say that I wouldn't post information. I said that I won't go around looking for stuff and hope it's good enough for you.
No. That isn't what you said.
But as I said before, if nothing out of the ordinary shows up, it doesn't prove that the Rubashkin travesty is the norm. It shows that everything is copacetic.
I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. Most crimes are never discovered, and most of the crimes that are aren't reported, especially at the corporate/industrial level.
Lack of proof is not proof that bad situations have continued.
No. A lot of the time lack of proof is just proof of apathy and denial.
Put it this way. A grand total of 1 expose' has been done on 1 kosher meat processing plant (the worlds largest).
That one expose' found all sorts of violations to kosher law.
What do you suppose the odds are that this was an isolated, completely unique incident? I would say: zero.
And considering the cloud this incident cast over the dependability of the kosher meat industry, I would think that, if this
wasn't the norm, the rest of the industry would be bending over backwards to show people that.
Tell me what you are looking for, and I'll see what I can find.
Like I said: I'd settle for the name of one of these watch-dog orgs.
That is good. I was worried.
I said it before, and I'll say it again.
The whole POINT of the Kashrut organizations is to act as watch-dogs to make sure that everything involved is going in accordance with Torah law. That is the reason Jews value their rulings.
That is also the reason that when things go wrong, there is a firestorm of letters, media updates, and newsletters amongst Jews to make sure that we know when we can trust things or not trust things.
(and of course, someone who isn't Jewish should just know this)
Well anyway, you gave me a word I can do a search on.
Like I said, I'm not sure what type of thing you are looking for.
at this point, a bottle of aspirin.
I can find "OU Warnings or Updates" to show when things are kosher or not.
For example, I belong to several newsgroups. There is a Subways restaurant on Jewel Avenue, near the corner of Main Street in Kew Gardens Hills, Queens. When it first moved in, it was Glatt Kosher. There were no dairy or pork products; they only had the kosher meat, fish, and vegetarian options.
A few months ago, I received no fewer than five notifications that this particular Subways changed ownership and was no longer Kosher, and it now has the full complement of any regular Subways menu that people have come to expect.
Completely different situation.