I don't know. There are plenty of those willing to fight and kill for money as much as they would over ideology and religion (perhaps even more so). Money can be a very divisive factor in a lot of things. Marriages break up over money.
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Please Boycott Russian Oil!
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I don't know. There are plenty of those willing to fight and kill for money as much as they would over ideology and religion (perhaps even more so). Money can be a very divisive factor in a lot of things. Marriages break up over money.
PureX
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It's true that if we could seriously boycott economic interaction with Russia we could stop Putin's military aggression without firing a bullet. The problem is that Russia, like every other country on the planet, is a cog in the wheels of the 'global money pump'. And the people who are benefiting most from that money pump are also the people in control of most of the governments on Earth. And they don't want those governments doing anything that would impede the flow of money into their bank accounts. They care a lot more about that flow of money than they do about the people living in the Ukraine, or living anywhere else, for that matter.
Also, most of humanity, all across the world, is now enslaved by this giant global money pump. They have to serve it, to live. So they, too, are not going to be inclined to let their governments do anything that would serious impede it's function, especially if they are going to be effected by it. Which is how greed and the fear it generates in everyone toward everyone else has come to rule humanity. If we could seriously impede the Russian corner of the great money pump, the Russian oligarchs would reign in Putin right quick. And the Russian people would applaud them for it. But to do that, the oligarchs around the rest of the world would have to be willing to accept some serious imposition on the flow of their own profits. And since greed is their only real motivating agenda, they are not likely to accept that imposition. And why would they? They don't care about Putin or the Ukraine. All they really care about is that flow of profits into their bank accounts from the giant global money pump. And it's not just the super-rich oligarchs, it's everyone else. too. Because money is life. And the lack of it is death. And everyone knows it. We are all enslaved by the giant money pump. Putin just happens to know how to be a successful tyrant within that greed based paradigm. Because the money pump likes warfare. Warfare generates lots of profit to the oligarchs, so long as it remains limited in it's swath of destruction. So neither Russia's oligarchs, nor ours, are going to do anything to stop him so long as he keeps the destruction to a 'reasonable' amount. Just as the US has been doing for many decades, now.
Also, most of humanity, all across the world, is now enslaved by this giant global money pump. They have to serve it, to live. So they, too, are not going to be inclined to let their governments do anything that would serious impede it's function, especially if they are going to be effected by it. Which is how greed and the fear it generates in everyone toward everyone else has come to rule humanity. If we could seriously impede the Russian corner of the great money pump, the Russian oligarchs would reign in Putin right quick. And the Russian people would applaud them for it. But to do that, the oligarchs around the rest of the world would have to be willing to accept some serious imposition on the flow of their own profits. And since greed is their only real motivating agenda, they are not likely to accept that imposition. And why would they? They don't care about Putin or the Ukraine. All they really care about is that flow of profits into their bank accounts from the giant global money pump. And it's not just the super-rich oligarchs, it's everyone else. too. Because money is life. And the lack of it is death. And everyone knows it. We are all enslaved by the giant money pump. Putin just happens to know how to be a successful tyrant within that greed based paradigm. Because the money pump likes warfare. Warfare generates lots of profit to the oligarchs, so long as it remains limited in it's swath of destruction. So neither Russia's oligarchs, nor ours, are going to do anything to stop him so long as he keeps the destruction to a 'reasonable' amount. Just as the US has been doing for many decades, now.
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For what?
If they stopped selling to us, we'd have to make our own goods.
They'd lose our money.
I think they'd be harmed more than we.
The raw material is very common.
But Russia is most geared up to manufacture it.
It's a difficult metal to work.
A friend had a contract to mill giant slabs into a
more production friendly form. It ruins tooling
quickly, & will catch fire if too aggressively
machined.
Welding is tricky...any contamination ruins the weld.
I guess whatever items might be on the list of sanctions. I haven't really looked at it the complete list. They say the sanctions could hurt Russia and Putin.
Do you think they would be that worried about losing our money? Was Mao ever really that concerned with money?
Mao is dead.
Xi is king, & loves money, which fuels expansionism.
Yes, but his war chest must be pretty full by now. Now, he's ready to unleash his secret plot to take over the world.
Money still matters.
Without that, dreams are denied,
& the populace becomes unhappy.
The Keystone pipeline was primarily for export. It would not significantly impact US gas prices.
Instead we should focus on renewable energy tech to make fossil fuels unnecessary.
I have no idea where the oil comes from when I go to a local gas station and fill up. I assume it probably comes from a combination of sources. So I don't know how individual consumers would boycott such a thing, without completely abstaining from all oil and natural gas purchases, which isn't possible for a lot of people.
It would be nice if I could buy titanium sign posts and rebar locally.
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Tis a spendy material for such pedestrian uses.
When he takes over the world, all the money will have Xi's likeness engraved on it.
And I wouldn't mind owning a golden toilet, either.
Resistance is not futile.
Actually it would have. Oil is a fungible commodity. It would have reduced oil importation from overseas suppliers, including Russia. It would also have increased global supplies, weakening Russia. It would also have been more environmentally safe than relying on overseas suppliers.
Renewables are a red herring to the question. The case for renewables is valid regardless from whence our current oil is supplied. The point is does the US want its oil coming from Canada or Russia.