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People are being manipulated into hating Muslims

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
I think it's been made quite clear that the powers that be have been trying to divide us for years. They've done the same thing with races like white and blacks, whenever cops are involved, they have to bring up the race, (as if that was important to begin with) Or they end up talking about the motive's of the lunatics. Even if you found out the motive, they still broke the law. It doesn't make it less or more heinous of a crime

People act as if if they weren't Muslim, they wouldn't have committed crimes. Seeing how there is good and bad Muslims, it never occurred to some people that maybe they were just lunatics? And that you're going to see lunatics, no matter what faith they belong to? IF what they said was true, how come my Muslim friends have never force converted me? And I know people are going to bring up that law in Muslim culture that gives Muslims permission to lie about their faith, but it was not because they can't infiltrate, It was used for protection against other countries who asked what their faith was, and that they have permission to lie about it. If a Buddhist majority country was oppressing non Buddhists, a Muslim could like about their faith to avoid being persecuted. Most of these Muslim bashers never even met a Muslim in their life, let alone talked to one, like I have. I have experience, because I wanted to know the truth. I know there are good Muslims as well as bad.

Then people read 2 pages of the Quran and read the news, which is bias anyway and come to the conclusion that every single Muslim believes in the exact sam thing (even though there's multiple branches of Islam) and that they all want to force convert everyone (even though the Quran has also spoken out against force conversion) Some of these attacks come from Christians mentioning contradictions in the Quran. (Yeah, like there's no contradictions in the Bible or other holy scriptures, right?)

They have no idea they are being manipulated into hating them.

The powers that be want boogeymen, to scare people, and people think if they see the faith of the lunatic, they begin to think everyone who shares that faith is equally bad and is supporting such actions, even though there have been Muslims condemning it and even fighting against it overseas. You do know ISIS and Boko Harraam has killed Muslims too, right? And you do know Muslim majority countries have been fighting against them, right?

Am I seriously the only one noticing this divide and conquer move? This isn't a new trick, this has been done before and millions are falling for it. They are being manipulated into hating each other, so they will be too weak and distracted to know who the real enemy is. You think there's a War on Islam? No. There never was? It doesn't make sense. How can you declare war on an idea, and how can you win it? Makes about as much sense as the war on terror? That can't be won because it's supposed to be not winnable so the wars go on and on, because you're not fighting a country or entity.

You think Muslims are the biggest enemy? Not even close. Some Muslims are already on your side. They want the same things you want, which is peace with their loved ones. Instead focus on the people who manipulated you in the first place.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I think it's been made quite clear that the powers that be have been trying to divide us for years. They've done the same thing with races like white and blacks, whenever cops are involved, they have to bring up the race, (as if that was important to begin with) Or they end up talking about the motive's of the lunatics. Even if you found out the motive, they still broke the law. It doesn't make it less or more heinous of a crime

People act as if if they weren't Muslim, they wouldn't have committed crimes. Seeing how there is good and bad Muslims, it never occurred to some people that maybe they were just lunatics? And that you're going to see lunatics, no matter what faith they belong to? IF what they said was true, how come my Muslim friends have never force converted me? And I know people are going to bring up that law in Muslim culture that gives Muslims permission to lie about their faith, but it was not because they can't infiltrate, It was used for protection against other countries who asked what their faith was, and that they have permission to lie about it. If a Buddhist majority country was oppressing non Buddhists, a Muslim could like about their faith to avoid being persecuted. Most of these Muslim bashers never even met a Muslim in their life, let alone talked to one, like I have. I have experience, because I wanted to know the truth. I know there are good Muslims as well as bad.

Then people read 2 pages of the Quran and read the news, which is bias anyway and come to the conclusion that every single Muslim believes in the exact sam thing (even though there's multiple branches of Islam) and that they all want to force convert everyone (even though the Quran has also spoken out against force conversion) Some of these attacks come from Christians mentioning contradictions in the Quran. (Yeah, like there's no contradictions in the Bible or other holy scriptures, right?)

They have no idea they are being manipulated into hating them.

The powers that be want boogeymen, to scare people, and people think if they see the faith of the lunatic, they begin to think everyone who shares that faith is equally bad and is supporting such actions, even though there have been Muslims condemning it and even fighting against it overseas. You do know ISIS and Boko Harraam has killed Muslims too, right? And you do know Muslim majority countries have been fighting against them, right?

Am I seriously the only one noticing this divide and conquer move? This isn't a new trick, this has been done before and millions are falling for it. They are being manipulated into hating each other, so they will be too weak and distracted to know who the real enemy is. You think there's a War on Islam? No. There never was? It doesn't make sense. How can you declare war on an idea, and how can you win it? Makes about as much sense as the war on terror? That can't be won because it's supposed to be not winnable so the wars go on and on, because you're not fighting a country or entity.

You think Muslims are the biggest enemy? Not even close. Some Muslims are already on your side. They want the same things you want, which is peace with their loved ones. Instead focus on the people who manipulated you in the first place.

Well said, lets focus our efforts to fight the terrorists and not the message of Islam.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
I think it's been made quite clear that the powers that be have been trying to divide us for years ...

The powers that be want boogeymen, to scare people, and people think if they see the faith of the lunatic, ...

Would you mind naming three or four members of this insidious cabal? And how would you interpret the response of the powers of the US Government?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I wager it is easier to believe that some nefarious "them" is the architect behind this hate wave rather than plain and simple human nature. Easier to point a finger at "them" than to point a finger at us.
 

Rajina

Member
I think it's been made quite clear that the powers that be have been trying to divide us for years. They've done the same thing with races like white and blacks, whenever cops are involved, they have to bring up the race, (as if that was important to begin with) Or they end up talking about the motive's of the lunatics. Even if you found out the motive, they still broke the law. It doesn't make it less or more heinous of a crime

People act as if if they weren't Muslim, they wouldn't have committed crimes. Seeing how there is good and bad Muslims, it never occurred to some people that maybe they were just lunatics? And that you're going to see lunatics, no matter what faith they belong to? IF what they said was true, how come my Muslim friends have never force converted me? And I know people are going to bring up that law in Muslim culture that gives Muslims permission to lie about their faith, but it was not because they can't infiltrate, It was used for protection against other countries who asked what their faith was, and that they have permission to lie about it. If a Buddhist majority country was oppressing non Buddhists, a Muslim could like about their faith to avoid being persecuted. Most of these Muslim bashers never even met a Muslim in their life, let alone talked to one, like I have. I have experience, because I wanted to know the truth. I know there are good Muslims as well as bad.

Then people read 2 pages of the Quran and read the news, which is bias anyway and come to the conclusion that every single Muslim believes in the exact sam thing (even though there's multiple branches of Islam) and that they all want to force convert everyone (even though the Quran has also spoken out against force conversion) Some of these attacks come from Christians mentioning contradictions in the Quran. (Yeah, like there's no contradictions in the Bible or other holy scriptures, right?)

They have no idea they are being manipulated into hating them.

The powers that be want boogeymen, to scare people, and people think if they see the faith of the lunatic, they begin to think everyone who shares that faith is equally bad and is supporting such actions, even though there have been Muslims condemning it and even fighting against it overseas. You do know ISIS and Boko Harraam has killed Muslims too, right? And you do know Muslim majority countries have been fighting against them, right?

Am I seriously the only one noticing this divide and conquer move? This isn't a new trick, this has been done before and millions are falling for it. They are being manipulated into hating each other, so they will be too weak and distracted to know who the real enemy is. You think there's a War on Islam? No. There never was? It doesn't make sense. How can you declare war on an idea, and how can you win it? Makes about as much sense as the war on terror? That can't be won because it's supposed to be not winnable so the wars go on and on, because you're not fighting a country or entity.

You think Muslims are the biggest enemy? Not even close. Some Muslims are already on your side. They want the same things you want, which is peace with their loved ones. Instead focus on the people who manipulated you in the first place.
I don't think its just divide and conquer rule. I think its a big plan against Islam. One reason is that the growth of Islam is a threat for the corporates. Threat in the sense:-

- Islam is AGAINST MODERN BANKING SYSTEM.
- against alcohol industry
- against commoditization of women
- against exploitation of women
- against porn and sex industry

'Against' in the sense majority of Muslims do not support or actively participate in any of the above.
Since the big businesses of the big corporates requires all of the above, the growth of Islam is a real threat for their business.

Another reason is that the New world order can make its least effect on Muslims. Because it works by changing the views and lifestyle of people according to what they plan. The lifestyle and views of Muslims cannot be changed to a large extend because Islam itself is a lifestyle and a view of life.

I think spreading hatred against Islam and killing Muslims around the world is a part of their plan to put an end to Islam. However 'They plans and Allah plans, His plan is better than their plan'. :)
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
- Islam is AGAINST MODERN BANKING SYSTEM.

Shariah banking is an up and coming industry in the UK at least.

- against alcohol industry
- against commoditization of women
- against exploitation of women
- against porn and sex industry

Do you have any evidence that muslims do not engage in such behaviours behind closed doors; or that they are less likely to do so compared to non-muslims?

Since the big businesses of the big corporates requires all of the above, the growth of Islam is a real threat for their business.

The business world adapts to whatever new trends arise: they follow profit. Halal foods and Shariah banking are rapidly on the rise in the West, for example.
Another reason is that the New world order can make its least effect on Muslims. Because it works by changing the views and lifestyle of people according to what they plan. The lifestyle and views of Muslims cannot be changed to a large extend because Islam itself is a lifestyle and a view of life.

I think spreading hatred against Islam and killing Muslims around the world is a part of their plan to put an end to Islam. However 'They plans and Allah plans, His plan is better than their plan'. :)
This comes across as very. . . paranoid.
 

Rajina

Member
Shariah banking is an up and coming industry in the UK at least.
How is Islamic banking profitable for the capitalists?

Islamic banking coming up is a threat for the big corporate bankers. That's what I was also saying.
Do you have any evidence that muslims do not engage in such behaviours behind closed doors; or that they are less likely to do so compared to non-muslims?
What sort of evidence are you asking for? Survey data's?
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
I wager it is easier to believe that some nefarious "them" is the architect behind this hate wave rather than plain and simple human nature. Easier to point a finger at "them" than to point a finger at us.

I don't think it's easier, but more believable. How many times have socialites have been manipulating behind the scenes. Ever hear of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. They say "He who controls the money, controls the world. Look at how many wars were funded and caused by those who ruled in the shadows and played both sides, so that no matter who won, they would win.

Look at what we did with Japanese Americans in WW2 where we put them in camps. Who's to say people won't start doing that to Muslim Americans.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well said, lets focus our efforts to fight the terrorists and not the message of Islam.
I don't disagree here but still, it's a message from Islam itself that is being used as a tool and leveraged to achieve radical goals.

How does one go about in correcting those interpretations that lead people to commit the heinous acts that they do?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
You have to realize that if the situation was reversed, that is Christian migrating to Muslim parts of the world, and Christian extremist were killing Muslims, then how would that go down ?.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I don't disagree here but still, it's a message from Islam itself that is being used as a tool and leveraged to achieve radical goals.

How does one go about in correcting those interpretations that lead people to commit the heinous acts that they do?
Murderers don't know or respect any laws and terrorists don't follow any religion,
They're fighting and killing Muslims as well, this is a fact.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
How is Islamic banking profitable for the capitalists?

Islamic banking coming up is a threat for the big corporate bankers. That's what I was also saying.

What sort of evidence are you asking for? Survey data's?
The Moslem banking system is certainly different, But whilst it can not charge interest, it charges the equivalent as capital.
Gulf state banks, find it very profitable investing in western businesses and property.

Christians, in past times were also unable to to partake in usury, hence the rise in Jewish bankers in the west who were under no such constraint lending to Christians.

Today money is a commodity, and people use it to make more money, it is easy to get round the religious problems.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Do you have any evidence that muslims do not engage in such behaviours behind closed doors; or that they are less likely to do so compared to non-muslims?

Some probably do of course. Muslims are not angels, they are humans too. And she's saying "Islam", not "Muslims" There is a huge difference.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Murderers don't know or respect any laws and terrorists don't follow any religion,
They're fighting and killing Muslims as well, this is a fact.

True, but the fact Islam is being used as a rallying cry has to tell you they have found a useful means to use Islam in such a way so as to motivate others to go out and kill and main anyone that dosent share their interpretation and view.

Something within Islam is motivating terrorism considering the frequency and intensity of attacks over the years with no apparant shortage of willing martyers for the "cause".

I'm just trying to find whats the trigger for it all.

A passage or passages taken from the Quran? Charasmatic Imams whom people are willing to die for? A sense of honor? Place and/or reward in paradise?

Wouldn't it be better to seek the root motivating causes since bloodshed and war only moves lines of contention ?

Right now it seems Islam is undergoing a type of "crusade" not unlike medieval Christianity had done, as the similarities seem strikingly familier when comparing them.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Murderers don't know or respect any laws and terrorists don't follow any religion,

Actually murderers only don't respect laws about murder. They may be law-abiding citizens otherwise.


They're fighting and killing Muslims as well, this is a fact.

That doesn't mean they're not Muslims though. History is replete with examples of adherents of the same religion killing one another over doctrinal differences. None of that means the people killing their co-religionists were 'not true insert religion here'.

Indeed, in order to have these doctrinal conflicts, one needs to be a member of the contextually relevant religion in the first place.
 
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FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
True, but the fact Islam is being used as a rallying cry has to tell you they have found a useful means to use Islam in such a way so as to motivate others to go out and kill and main anyone that dosent share their interpretation and view.

Something within Islam is motivating terrorism considering the frequency and intensity of attacks over the years with no apparant shortage of willing martyers for the "cause".

I'm just trying to find whats the trigger for it all.

A passage or passages taken from the Quran? Charasmatic Imams whom people are willing to die for? A sense of honor? Place and/or reward in paradise?

Wouldn't it be better to seek the root motivating causes since bloodshed and war only moves lines of contention ?

Right now it seems Islam is undergoing a type of "crusade" not unlike medieval Christianity had done, as the similarities seem strikingly familier when comparing them.
May i ask a question and to reply it in honesty.

Why many countries make and develop mass destructiion weapons, tanks,
warplanes .,etc, is it because of religion and a holy book?
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't think it's easier, but more believable. How many times have socialites have been manipulating behind the scenes. Ever hear of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. They say "He who controls the money, controls the world. Look at how many wars were funded and caused by those who ruled in the shadows and played both sides, so that no matter who won, they would win.

Look at what we did with Japanese Americans in WW2 where we put them in camps. Who's to say people won't start doing that to Muslim Americans.

Yes, I'm well aware by this point that you enjoy conspiracy theories. For the rest of us, no, it isn't more believable. While the message about not demonizing Muslims is a good one, you kind of lost most of us there with the conspiracy theorist rhetoric. Sorry.
 

Marsh

Active Member
You think Muslims are the biggest enemy? Not even close.... Instead focus on the people who manipulated you in the first place.
Another Canadian has been beheaded in the Philippines. Heard it on the news this morning. He, his girlfriend, and their male companion (the first to be headed) were kidnapped while on holiday. Then there was the recent attack in Orlando murdering 50 people. Then there was the Islamist arrested while waiting for the gay parade to begin. His car full of weapons, ammunition, and materials to make explosives. The attacks are all carried out by Islamists -- and you think someone else is manipulating us into disliking this religion? Mohammad's followers are doing a fine job all on their own.

Oh, did I mention that ISIS called for Muslims to carry out attacks in the USA during the month of Ramadan!? Do I need to mention this is Ramadan?
 

Kartari

Active Member
Of course ISIS and other terrorist groups need to be fought and destroyed. The media does like to choose what is most sensational and money-making for its headlines (i.e. anything ISIS), and some politicians get support by jumping on the bandwagon of Muslim hate. But I don't think it's so much of a conspiracy per se. You don't need a formal conspiracy when mutual interests happen to converge (i.e. money and politics).

That said, I must agree that there are ignorant sentiments here in the US (where I live) at least, and I am sure elsewhere, where ISIS and the Muslim community at large are lumped together as if the two were the same thing. I've personally encountered more than a few persons who use the word Muslim interchangeably with the word terrorist as if they were the same thing, and frankly, it sickens me. As I've heard stated crassly but correctly, Muslim is the new n****r. Most of the people murdered and brutalized by ISIS are Muslims, and many Muslims actively fight against ISIS. We don't see the media cover that very much though, therefore it doesn't exist in the minds of the ignorant. Yet as evidenced by the popularity of Donald Trump and his frighteningly ignorant plan to ban all Muslims from America (again lumping Muslims with terrorists), too many people react emotionally and blindly, rather than use their brains to, you know, THINK CRITICALLY and distinguish reality from fiction. Reacting emotionally and blindly, they end up causing more harm to good people than to the actual culprits.
 
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